1. i stated legally its fine

2. i stated socially why i dont think people should support it

people are free to do all sorts of things that are legal but socially not accepted. wear slippers and pj pants to Walmart if you want, no one will arrest you.

i am a Christian, and about 50% of my stances are conservative.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Apr 2 2021 10:07am

So how do you tell if somebody has a penis? I don't know about you, but I've never checked before letting somebody in the restroom.

(not so) fun fact: republican lawmakers, the ones that constantly tout their conservative "family values", are a greater threat in public restrooms than the entire transgender population.

I respect that. I just don't know where that form of social norm really would come from. Historically, older, more established (provider) men tended to marry younger women. The link between relative youth and fertility is biologically unavoidable, women have only so many eggs, where from a lifespan perspective, men can always breed, though after 40 there is a slightly increased risk of birth defects. From a "responsibility" factor, having one partner older and the other younger (think 18-25 type younger here, not children) can help the younger partner learn how to survive in the adult world without making many of the mistakes young couples can be prone to.

Overall though, I just don't care. If they're adults, they're adults, if they're not, they're not and it's statutory rape, and if they're pre-pubescent, then that's pedophilia. That's about the only societal norm I really personally recognize.



As with most things, Thor, you need to stop trying to figure out how to control people. Having a "has penis" and "doesn't have penis" set of bathrooms doesn't mean you're personally examining every entrant. It, like nearly every guideline out there, simply allows people their comfort zone. If somebody from one gender goes into the other's bathroom and nobody notices or cares? No harm no foul. If, however, some creepy hairy white dude goes into the woman's restroom and starts ogling your wife or daughter, the policy allows the business owner to not only kick the person out of their business, but have them legally trespassed for failure to follow the policy. It's a safety net that's almost never used, but available at need.

generally when i ask people the classic "but if its an 18 year old model and 80 year old rich guy" the response is that at that point its a job for the woman, not a loving relationship. that alone is a societal judgement that i support. in order truly not to care you'd have to if forced support that marriage, elsewise if you're judgmental u care. caring is a spectrum for sure tho.

Then how do you know we've ever had bathrooms that were separated based on penis status?

Also, how many times has the situation you described, like, ever happened? I l iterally can't find a single time the safety net has ever been used, meaning it's either not used when it does happen, or just isn't needed. Either way, same conclusion.

What if some butch lesbian goes in and oggles you daughter? We can't assume only men are sexual harassers/assaulters after all.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Apr 2 2021 11:02am

i get the talking point but i can guess with just my eyes who has a penis with like 99.99% accuracy from an average population sampling. so can just about anyone.

i dont support the trans bathroom laws, but this specific talking point that we'd need a penis test is just a meme.

You assume that but it's not based on anything. Unless you have some data set where you've seen a bunch of dudes penises to check?

I think the best person to check with would be high school nurses. They've lived through dozens of penis inspection days after all.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Apr 2 2021 11:10am

trans people are about .6% of the population according to Gallup.

so at worst about all you can do is 99.4%, other than a few neutral dressing lesbians or uber feminine non-trans males.

you'd have to try really hard to do worse than 95% or have an absurd sample to guess from. i still hold that given the number of passing trans people among the .6% and my ability to still cold call butch lesbians in about .01 seconds flat i'd get 99.9% + all day every day.

you can call this an assumption all you want, if u need a statistical backing that's silly. i dont think anyone would do the study, and if they would it would almost certainly be a very SJW publication trying to prove a point and sampling bias would be out of control. anyone trying to do an honesty study with a representative sample would be labeled as anti-trans.

Women have been raped by men in women's restrooms, filmed by men in women's restrooms, and on and on. Just google "Man Arrested Womens Restroom" and you'll find thousands of results. Here was a result that's not behind any paywall or adblocker-blocker just for fun: https://www.eastoregonian.com/news/local/la-grande-man-charged-with-filming-women-in-truck-stop-restroom/article_c962a3ba-51ac-11e9-84b7-3be0c6ec5260.html

Finding "news articles" about men who are trespassed from businesses for using women's restrooms is highly unlikely. The purpose of quietly ejecting them from the premises is to insure the safety and comfort of your other customers, not bring international media attention to your doorstep. It's both highly dishonest and completely stupid to think that you'd be coming up with a ton of results without a crime involved, as opposed to a simple policy violation.