I think it's interesting that the people who are the most anti abortion also champion the idea that no gun signs stop gun crime.

I don't like abortion. However nothing anyone can ever do will ever stop people from having an abortion, or smothering their newborn babies if that is what they want to do. It's been happening for thousands of years.

In light of that, I think the only logical way is to provide access, education, and make contraception available. That way the number of people needing abortions goes down, but a woman who decides that is what she wants to do can keep herself safe.

I just don't see any reason to make the situation worse for those who go down that route, when abolishing the practice is entirely impossible.

a human fetus is not acne....




you choose to give up that right when you choose to have sex.

thats exactly part of the problem. women get abortions thinking 'oh, but its just a clump of cells'. but then they realize that its NOT just a clump of cells, its a human life that they just ended, and have to live with that fact for the rest of their lives.

No you don't lol. Your body is still yours. That's like saying you give up the right to your digestive system when you order a pizza.

you have that view because you dont value human life, so you see it as no different than acne or pizza in your stomach. an infection to be cured. i disagree. human life has intrinsic value and if you choose to engage in something that might create a human life you give up your right to end that human life one it is created. life, especially human life, should not be ended without a compelling reason.

So then you think anybody who needs lifesaving medicine should get it?

Like it should be illegal to charge $1000 for insulin?

ideally, yes, anyone who needs medicine should get it, but im also realistic enough to recognize that if its not profitable to make medicines, it wont be done. but thats a whole other discussion.

relevant here, your comparison is a fallacy. actively ending a life is different than allowing one to end by not giving it what it needs to survive.

You are trapped in an unrealistic black-and-white thinking. In the beginning, an embryo is indeed nothing but a clump of cells. Then, as the pregnancy moves on, the embryo develops into a fetus and gradually develops more and more characteristics of human life, like brain activity or a heartbeat. The development of human life is taking place on a continuous scale, it is absurd to pretend as if fully fledged human life with all its dignity and (moral and legal) rights starts the second the sperm enters the egg cell. Did you know that 30-40% of all pregnancies end in a miscarriage before the 12 week mark out of natural reasons; often times without the woman even having noticed that she was pregnant?

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it develops over time, yes, but its still human life.

My fiancee miscarried our first. I would have done anything, payed any amount to save my child. It makes me sick that people abort simply because their choice to have sex has inconvenienced them. Listen to some of the change my mind segments on abortion from steven crowder. It made me think.