Quote (cambovenzi @ Jan 7 2021 12:06am)

Yes its people like me running the show and making everything bad. :rolleyes:

Accurately criticizing the democrats and identifying their agenda is not what is wrong here.

I am not some hyperpartisan. I am fully aware both parties are largely trash with a few exceptions. I reject statism and state aggression regardless of which party is leading it. Its clear the democrats have shifted left+authoritarian and oppose core american and libertarian values more than the republicans. That is not to say the republicans are great or faultless.

I raised legitimate questions to ciroc using his own criteria for what he claims to stand for. If he actually cares about protecting america and being a 'real republican' he shouldn't be actively supporting the democrats controlling congress and the presidency and claiming its no big deal.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 6 Jan 2021 22:15)

Threats to the values, prosperity and safety of the country if radical ideas from within the Democratic party get enacted:

- creeping socialism in every facet of life and society
- mass pauperization as a result of hyperinflation caused by overreliance on Modern Monetary Theory
- declining safety as a result of defunding the police or tying law enforcement's hands when it comes to certain crimes like looting or burglary
- losing the "second cold war" by cozying up to China instead of reining them in
- a de facto end of 2nd amendment rights - Beto "hell yes we're gonna take your AR-15" O'Rourke was considered for the role of Biden's "gun reform Czar" after all
- completely opening the floodgates for unrestricted third world immigration
- an erosion of free speech as the government ignores or even endorses censorship by private entities like facebook/google/twitter, for example under the pretense of combatting "hate speech"
- a climate agenda which ends up being too radical and ill-considered, such that energy safety is endangered and the working-class is destroyed by rising prices for everything
- court packing
- "legally stealing democracy" via shenanigans like DC and Puerto Rico statehood, amnesty and citizenship for 20m+ illegals, etc.


All of these points are exceedingly unlikely to become reality with a 50+1/50 Senate and a 222-211 House, and a guy like Biden would not go for this stuff with 53 Senators and 233 House seats either. But if Democrats had gotten really large majorities in Congress, say 58 Senators and 250+ House seats, then moderate members of Congress would have become irrelevant and pressure from the left would have grown on both Biden and Congress to pass some of the stuff from my list.

Quote (CiroC @ Jan 7 2021 01:20am)

There's a reason why Democrats won everything and TRump LOST everything. And it s not because of people like me.
You need to take a look at yourself in the mirror. You and all of the Trump supporters. You guys brought this upon yourselves.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 7 Jan 2021 07:15)

Threats to the values, prosperity and safety of the country if radical ideas from within the Democratic party get enacted:

- creeping socialism in every facet of life and society
- mass pauperization as a result of hyperinflation caused by overreliance on Modern Monetary Theory
- declining safety as a result of defunding the police or tying law enforcement's hands when it comes to certain crimes like looting or burglary
- losing the "second cold war" by cozying up to China instead of reining them in
- a de facto end of 2nd amendment rights - Beto "hell yes we're gonna take your AR-15" O'Rourke was considered for the role of Biden's "gun reform Czar" after all
- completely opening the floodgates for unrestricted third world immigration
- an erosion of free speech as the government ignores or even endorses censorship by private entities like facebook/google/twitter, for example under the pretense of combatting "hate speech"
- a climate agenda which ends up being too radical and ill-considered, such that energy safety is endangered and the working-class is destroyed by rising prices for everything
- court packing
- "legally stealing democracy" via shenanigans like DC and Puerto Rico statehood, amnesty and citizenship for 20m+ illegals, etc.


All of these points are exceedingly unlikely to become reality with a 50+1/50 Senate and a 222-211 House, and a guy like Biden would not go for this stuff with 53 Senators and 233 House seats either. But if Democrats had gotten really large majorities in Congress, say 58 Senators and 250+ House seats, then moderate members of Congress would have become irrelevant and pressure from the left would have grown on both Biden and Congress to pass some of the stuff from my list.

Quote (cambovenzi @ Jan 7 2021 12:28am)

Yes, there are a large number of factors.
None of them erase the problems with your positions and democrats that I have presented to you.
Blaming me and trump supporters will not get you out of this one.

Yes gullible people like you who have been heavily propagandized and conditioned for 4+ years into betraying your principles and your country actually are a significant part of the reason democrats won.
A pandemic and the implementation of mass mail-in voting were other big ones.

All of this against him and his controversial and unusual persona, and the margins were still extraordinarily slim.

Instead of looking inwards and examining your positions and reflecting on your actions you want to look outwards and tell people who stand against the evil you supported to 'get over it'

Quote (Tyrantus @ Jan 7 2021 01:31am)

Dude. The hill you died on is literally "Supporting Trump."

You're an idiot. Accept it, and work on changing that.

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Jan 7 2021 01:30am)

US democrats would eventually push for minimal social measures like the ones in Europe, they made better budgets than the republican party.
In bold you are just pushing a false, grotesque, narrative.

Quote (cambovenzi @ Jan 7 2021 12:32am)

None of what you said is true. Pathetic liar.

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Jan 7 2021 01:30am)

US democrats would eventually push for minimal social measures like the ones in Europe, they made better budgets than the republican party.
In bold you are just pushing a false, grotesque, narrative.

Quote (bogie160 @ Jan 7 2021 12:37am)

Europe is a varied place. If we take France, specifically, we'll uncover all sorts of nonsensical and counter-productive labor laws that have resulted in a a stagnant and failing French economy that has lagged well behind the United States.

The Democratic party is in favor of those same laws. They oppose competition, and they promote the segregation of the population by and into racial, ethnic, and sexual identities. The Democrats are leading us down Venezeula's bad ending. It's time to get off the ride.