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Jan 6 2021 06:41am
Well if all I can do is argue the outcome of this situation I'd prefer to save the child. But if it were an adult vs a senior, I might come to a different conclusion.

I'll say that pedestrian crossings on equal level with motor traffic should have rigorous speed limits to prevent these occurences in the first place. There's a lot to be gained by fixing infrastructure.
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Jan 6 2021 04:18pm
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Then that would mean by extension yours doesn't either.

It should be noted that you do think my opinion matters, because you've reported me for the contents of my posts in the (immediate) past.

It's ironic because your guild name is "I <3 Haters". Edgelords gonna edgelord. :rolleyes:


i don't report people unless its something really really bad. Get over yourself mate like i said your opinion is not worth anything, now fade away plz.
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Jan 6 2021 04:20pm
Quote (addone @ Jan 6 2021 04:18pm)
i don't report people unless its something really really bad. Get over yourself mate like i said your opinion is not worth anything, now fade away plz.


Stop being such a triggered snowflake.
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Jan 6 2021 04:20pm
The transgressive action of being in a crosswalk when one shouldn't be, even if done by an ignorant child, should not come at the expense of another person's well-being. The car should remain on course.
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Quote (Handcuffs @ Jan 4 2021 10:46pm)
Friends of PaRD, the classic Trolley Dilemma has become of interest to self-driving car makers as they attempt to refine their algorithms for extreme (yet still plausible) scenarios. ^Nathan and I went through the scenarios that they have on MIT's https://www.moralmachine.net/, which you can 'play' to help them get human data on moral decisions. It will also allow you to see stats on your own decisions compared to the average of all other users.

The scenarios there revolve around the self-driving car having a brake failure and needing to decide to either stay on current course or swerve, with potentially lethal consequences being associated with either outcome. Here is one scenario (poll related) that ^Nathan and I viewed differently:

https://i.imgur.com/O5R0ACH.png

The two options become:

1. The car stays on current course and hits the child who is crossing when he is not supposed to be in the crosswalk.
2. The car swerves and fatally hits the elderly man who is crossing when he is supposed/allowed to be in the crosswalk.

What do you think the self-driving car should do? Are there scenarios from the game that would make decision-making more complex for you? For instance, the other scenarios you can play also include aspects of gender, social status, health, animals v. humans, and the number of people in either outcome as points of influence.

You can also use the 'design' feature on https://www.moralmachine.net/ to create your own scenario (as I have down with the photo above) to see what other PaRD members would do.


I think for purposes of the self-driving cars algorithm, the assumption should be that people are following simple rules, such as not crossing a crosswalk when it is red.
If the child is too young to follow such rules there should be an adult present.
I think ethically, you can not punish an elderly man for simply being elderly, same with rewarding a child simply for being a child.
In order to be completely ethical, you have to take in all aspects of the scenario.
This child is breaking the simple rules, no parent is in sight so the assumption is made that the child is of the cognitive level to understand these rules, while the elderly person is following the rules and has no reasonable expectation of oncoming doom in this situation.

The only possible outcome in my rationale is that the car must continue on course under the assumption that no persons should be in the crosswalk.

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Jan 9 2021 08:20pm
Quote (Biography @ Jan 9 2021 12:22pm)
This child is breaking the simple rules, no parent is in sight so the assumption is made that the child is of the cognitive level to understand these rules, while the elderly person is following the rules and has no reasonable expectation of oncoming doom in this situation.


What if it's just a baby in a stroller unattended or you otherwise know that the child is not capable of understanding the crosswalk rules?
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Jan 9 2021 09:20pm
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What if it's just a baby in a stroller unattended or you otherwise know that the child is not capable of understanding the crosswalk rules?


What if the elderly person has dementia and is no longer capable of understanding the crosswalk rules?

This post was edited by Handcuffs on Jan 9 2021 09:21pm
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Jan 10 2021 06:19pm
Quote (Nathan @ Jan 9 2021 09:20pm)
What if it's just a baby in a stroller unattended or you otherwise know that the child is not capable of understanding the crosswalk rules?


I still stick with my original rationale, in both cases the adults in custody of the child is at fault and in no way should the elderly person be punished for another persons mistake.

Quote (Handcuffs @ Jan 9 2021 10:20pm)
What if the elderly person has dementia and is no longer capable of understanding the crosswalk rules?


In this scenario, at the very least, he's lucky to be going when he's in the right.

This post was edited by Biography on Jan 10 2021 06:20pm
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Jan 10 2021 06:38pm
car should hit the person less likely to commit murder

pulls up fbi race stats
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Quote (Handcuffs @ Jan 10 2021 04:20pm)
What if the elderly person has dementia and is no longer capable of understanding the crosswalk rules?


What if a whale falls out of the sky and an electric vehiacle has to swerve to avoid a a falling whale but it has to choose between a man with dementia and a sleepwalking drug addict, who has a daughter but who follows trump on social media, what if then the mechanic forgot to install the current update on the electric vehiacle which was actually infected with malware trojan which was developed by a nigerian company which is funded by Bill GAtes indirectily....

What if.... What if..... well you get the point. You are living in a universe where the likely scenario is soo minuscule that why are even asking the question in the first place?

Answer you are bored shitless and have nothing better to do then give out +1 welldone you win the jsp award for being a complete time waster
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