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Dec 15 2020 12:54am
Quote (IceMage @ Dec 15 2020 12:42am)
I appreciate that. Is there even more basic rationalizations? I'm trying to appeal to people who don't know anything about the history of vaccinations, or science at all.

I was planning on defending it with references to other vaccines that they've already taken.


The CEO is going to have to take it, as will presidents and their families.

If it came out the CEO didnt take it for safety concerns then its DOA.

If they think those people would lie about taking the vaccine then theyre too far down the conspiracy rabbit hole already.
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Dec 15 2020 12:56am
Quote (SuperSpreader @ Dec 15 2020 12:53am)
tetanus shots seem to be okay preventing rust infection. they insist you take it but idk about fighting it because.... well... they say rust problems (biological) can escalate rather quickly to the point of incapacitation before being able to call 9-1-1. i assured them that at the first sign of losing capacity that i would hurry to a phone but they convinced me that the time between infection and help might be so haste that you'd be fucked


Its actually because of an anaerobic bacteria and its for any serious puncture wound. The rust isn't important.

Basically it gets in the puncture and since its low oxygen it thrives and releases a neurotoxin as part if its normal metabolism.
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Dec 15 2020 12:59am
Quote (Thor123422 @ Dec 15 2020 02:56am)
Its actually because of an anaerobic bacteria and its for any serious puncture wound. The rust isn't important.

Basically it gets in the puncture and since its low oxygen it thrives and releases a neurotoxin as part if its normal metabolism.


i highly doubt scathy little shits would "thrive" inside anywhere in me
not like this now

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unless we take a dirt nap in the forest and the nature balances the equation
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Dec 15 2020 02:09am
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Quote (Bazi @ 15 Dec 2020 07:00)
antibodies last ~6 months, from what we can currently tell. Reinfections happen but tend to be more benign. However your 2nd benign infection can still be passed to someone else for their first time. Plus the vaccine has been thought to convey longer lasting immunity benefit

Isnt there increasing scientific evidence that while antibody levels do indeed drop off about ~6 months after an infection, almost all former patients still retain their immunity (based on other types of immune response, T-cells and such)?

Quote (Thor123422 @ 15 Dec 2020 07:31)
There were 45000 participants. In other approved and safe vaccines 10000 have been used. This gives a lot more opportunity to see side effects compared to even very safe vaccines.

It had a very diverse cohort with something like 30% people of color which also adds to safety.

For me personally, my fear is less about ultra-rare side effects (less than 1 case per 100k vaccinations) that might have fallen through the cracks - my fear is about potential long-term complications or side effects which do not manifest themselves until over a year after the vaccination. These long-term side effects cannot possibly be caught in a trial which only lasted 6 months; but they would be caught when using the normal protocols where approval of a new vaccine takes around 5 years. I totally get, and agree with the assessment, that the world cannot wait this long and has to take a risk on these vaccines, but for me personally (0 comorbidities, already had covid), it's still a concern.

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Dec 15 2020 03:48am
Quote (tommyd323 @ Dec 14 2020 07:41pm)
Used to think it was mostly extreme leftists that were the anti vaxxers. I hear there’s a new anti science crowd out and about!



how will some react when they learn that an aborted white male fetus cells were used in the vaccine development.
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Dec 15 2020 09:23am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Dec 15 2020 03:38am)
Isnt there increasing scientific evidence that while antibody levels do indeed drop off about ~6 months after an infection, almost all former patients still retain their immunity (based on other types of immune response, T-cells and such)?


For me personally, my fear is less about ultra-rare side effects (less than 1 case per 100k vaccinations) that might have fallen through the cracks - my fear is about potential long-term complications or side effects which do not manifest themselves until over a year after the vaccination. These long-term side effects cannot possibly be caught in a trial which only lasted 6 months; but they would be caught when using the normal protocols where approval of a new vaccine takes around 5 years. I totally get, and agree with the assessment, that the world cannot wait this long and has to take a risk on these vaccines, but for me personally (0 comorbidities, already had covid), it's still a concern.


Its a vaccination. There arent going to be side effects that take years to manifest. We've made these things before. God damn.
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Dec 15 2020 09:31am
Quote (Thor123422 @ 15 Dec 2020 16:23)
Its a vaccination. There arent going to be side effects that take years to manifest. We've made these things before. God damn.


Actually, mRNA vaccines have not been used before. There might be very specific reasons why this type of new vaccines is safe, but only absolute experts on the field can tell. It's definitely not a trivial question. :rolleyes:
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