Quote (Santara @ Dec 10 2020 10:40am)

95% successfully inoculated, which means for the 5% that it isn't successful for, those people then have "99.3% survival rate." That means that instead of 7,000 people per million dying, we could bring it down to 350 people per million.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Dec 9 2020 05:03pm)

There's a wide gap between "relavent" and "about as effective as a vaccine"



Because low risk people spread it to high risk people, and there are far more low risk people than high risk people which still results in overwhelming the medical facilities if they are massively infected.

I get it, you're not associated with healthcare. You're not an epidemiologist. You have a job and a family and don't have time to look into it. It's not a personal slight that you have a wrong opinion on vaccination. It is, however, a personal slight that you don't listen to people who do have those qualifications and who are associated with medical care.

Quote (SunnyvaleTrailerPark @ Dec 9 2020 11:30am)

Well yeah it's about me because the person talking to you is me. If you ask me , other than my immediate family or close friends, i don't give two shit bout anyone else and i'll sound really rude but i don't care what happen to you, your family nor anyone else but the people i care around me. We take care of ourselves and make sure we have great health to go through life. I'm from a family that don't need to go to the hospital often. We were raised well. My siblings, friends , gf and i eat well, we do sports, we sleep well . We don't smoke anything else than joints here and there and we don't drink.

My grandfather is 91 and still healthy.

Instead of trying to find what i do wrong with my life, tell the people around you to step it up and step it up yourself. Get better health, better cardio, eat well, sleep well and if you're still weak after months of that, take d3, magnesium, k2 , calcium (low amount) and you'll take my side and understand how laughable most people are with this vaccine.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Dec 9 2020 08:29pm)

There is a high probability that the high-risk people will get vaccinated within the next few months so how would there be spread from the low risk to high risk if they're vaccinated?

Quote (SunnyvaleTrailerPark @ Dec 9 2020 12:14pm)

I'm sure the vaccine will actually help the people at risk. I don't think there's reptilian who want to nanochip everyone. I personally don't need it. I believe you vaccinate the people at risk, health workers and you good to go. Usually we fight viruses daily. That's what antibodies are there for. That's why i often tell people it's important to eat well, sleep well and exercise enough. Smoking and drinking is the worst thing you could do to your body unless you have a glass of red wine here and there. Still i don't believe it's needed. Many healthy ways to be on top of it health wise.

The real problem outside of this huge "covid crisis" is the amount of smokers, the amount of people who'd rather eat at a fast food joint over cooking a healthy meal for themselve/their family/kids. Just look at the amount of obese kids because their parents didn't know better or didn't know how to raise a kid properly. People who instead of eating good food will eat frozen food while drinking shit with sugars in it. I'm annoyed by the amount of people finding satisfaction in doing things that harm them slowly one day at a time. I'm even more annoyed when these people get scared because of something they see on tv and force people to STFU AND OBEY when they shat on their health their whole life .

There's nurses in my surrounding and even them claim it's out of proportion. Sure there's a target audience at risk like they would be at risk against a huge strain of flu or any virus affecting the lungs that's who you vaccinate twice.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Dec 10 2020 12:45am)

Not all high risk people can be vaccinated. Those who are immunocompromised can't be.

Not all high risk people who are vaccinated will become immune.

We don't know how long vaccine immunity lasts or infection immunity lasts, so there's a possibility that as the immunity wanes in the future you see continual reinfections and you have a lot more time to find this out and give boosters if the community spread is lower.

Flooding the medical system will still happen even if the high risk people are vaccinated because the low risk people outnumber the high risk people, and that puts everybody at risk. You're far more likely to die from a random accident if the ICU and ER is totally full.

If we don't achieve herd immunity then the disease still propagates through the community and that makes it likely there will be a mutation event which resets everybody's immunity and we end up back at square 1.


There's a butt ton of reasons why everybody should be. We've seen this problem before with dozens of diseases. Listen to experts! They're the people who actually spend their lives studying this shit!

Quote (ofthevoid @ Dec 10 2020 08:52am)

The overwhelming majority that is high risk will get vaccinated and have immunity therefore it doesn't follow that hospitals will be flooded. The low-risk people would eventually get herd immunity some from vaccination some from just being part of the 99.5% which has fairly mild symptoms.