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Nov 18 2020 06:51pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 18 Nov 2020 19:46)



lmao

i notice that otaku left one comment here and ran off to play with his anime figurines *LAUGH OUT LOUD*

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Nov 18 2020 07:23pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 18 2020 07:01pm)
What are you talking about, Japan has one of the lowest rates of rape in the entire world.


I have no doubt that it's probably quite superior to a lot of countries but it's most likely disproportionately unreported compared to other first world countries. Several factors could explain this astonishing low rate of rape cases.

First let's look at some stats.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/rape-statistics-by-country

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#Policy_and_statistics_by_country

So, the only country that has that low of a rape rate besides countries who don't have a list, a couple baltic states or majority muslim countries who assures us that women are safe, is Japan.
The question one must ask, is... Is Japan that good at not raping their women? One could have doubts about this.

So, let's go down the list of things that might have an impact.

- It's frowned upon to cause problems in japanese society, especially at work.

- There's big drinking afterwork parties for team building, I wonder how well slim japanese of about 100-110lbs women can handle peer pressure drinking parties see also : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_flush_reaction

- Health and Labor minister assures us that women are going to keep having to wear mandatory high heels because it's the norm and therefore it's very good : https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-48534453#:~:text=A%20Japanese%20minister%20has%20said,minister%2C%20defended%20the%20controversial%20practice. For anyone who knows a little about Japan, that's pretty much how men see women in the workforce. They'll just leave and make babies. Which is why now they are not having babies to stay competitive in the workforce. Oopsies I guess.

- Tokyo train stations have safety wagons for women, why? Nobody get's assaulted, we're just doing this for fun.

- Child pornography was only outlawed in 2014 ( the last of the G7 to do so btw ) with a slap on the wrist sentence guidelines https://www.thejournal.ie/japan-child-abuse-2966815-Sep2016/
Speaking of child abuse, it's VERY frowned upon to go snoop about someone's family life. Japan has a huge problem with child abuse, because society and authorities turn a blind eye to such issues. Same phenomenon as unchecked bullying in schools. Japan pulls a little PaRD here, they deserved it.


Let's turn our attention to policing and courts in Japan. The biggest elephant in the room is the very high conviction rate of 99%~. This is literal dictatorship levels of conviction rate. The TL;DR for that is that they're allowed to keep re-applying for more time to interrogate as long as someone signs off on it. The more pertinent thing about this in case of rape rates, is that, it's a very private crime. Unless there's real forensic evidence, which considering how an absurd amount of women just go clean up and sleep it off, it revolves around a "he said, she said" type of argument. There's no way they'll try to convict someone like this. You can bet that the Police and the prosecutor's office are going to try and dissuade women from going with their cases. Why lose face and risk and acquittal?

You also can't forget that most victims know their aggressor, it's probably a co-worker or a friend, or their spouse. They'll cause problems for other people by pushing with the reporting, full circle to the first societal barrier.
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I could go in more detail, but because not everyone would know the same things, I would have to provide stats and documentation to show that I'm not just saying random shit and I cba atm.

The TL;DR The Japanese stats are mega suspect for quite a number of reasons, like a LOT of reasons. Tbh if I would have to pick one or two, it would def be the societal desire not to cause trouble and how police doesn't really want to report and put a case file to a case they know the prosecutor wont agree to prosecute because there's a good chance it wont lead to a conviction. I think the latter is probably the biggest factor though.
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Nov 18 2020 07:28pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 18 2020 06:01pm)
What are you talking about, Japan has one of the lowest rates of rape in the entire world.


Japan's criminal justice system leaves a lot to be desired on reporting and investigating.

They go out of their way to maintain a 99% solved rate, and to do that it's well known they don't report incidents they know they can't solve, or they will railroad suspects to get a conviction.
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Nov 18 2020 07:46pm
Quote (Helloween7 @ 19 Nov 2020 02:23)
I have no doubt that it's probably quite superior to a lot of countries but it's most likely disproportionately unreported compared to other first world countries. Several factors could explain this astonishing low rate of rape cases.

First let's look at some stats.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/rape-statistics-by-country

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#Policy_and_statistics_by_country

So, the only country that has that low of a rape rate besides countries who don't have a list, a couple baltic states or majority muslim countries who assures us that women are safe, is Japan.
The question one must ask, is... Is Japan that good at not raping their women? One could have doubts about this.

So, let's go down the list of things that might have an impact.

- It's frowned upon to cause problems in japanese society, especially at work.

- There's big drinking afterwork parties for team building, I wonder how well slim japanese of about 100-110lbs women can handle peer pressure drinking parties see also : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_flush_reaction

- Health and Labor minister assures us that women are going to keep having to wear mandatory high heels because it's the norm and therefore it's very good : https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-48534453#:~:text=A%20Japanese%20minister%20has%20said,minister,%20defended%20the%20controversial%20practice. For anyone who knows a little about Japan, that's pretty much how men see women in the workforce. They'll just leave and make babies. Which is why now they are not having babies to stay competitive in the workforce. Oopsies I guess.

- Tokyo train stations have safety wagons for women, why? Nobody get's assaulted, we're just doing this for fun.

- Child pornography was only outlawed in 2014 ( the last of the G7 to do so btw ) with a slap on the wrist sentence guidelines https://www.thejournal.ie/japan-child-abuse-2966815-Sep2016/
Speaking of child abuse, it's VERY frowned upon to go snoop about someone's family life. Japan has a huge problem with child abuse, because society and authorities turn a blind eye to such issues. Same phenomenon as unchecked bullying in schools. Japan pulls a little PaRD here, they deserved it.


Let's turn our attention to policing and courts in Japan. The biggest elephant in the room is the very high conviction rate of 99%~. This is literal dictatorship levels of conviction rate. The TL;DR for that is that they're allowed to keep re-applying for more time to interrogate as long as someone signs off on it. The more pertinent thing about this in case of rape rates, is that, it's a very private crime. Unless there's real forensic evidence, which considering how an absurd amount of women just go clean up and sleep it off, it revolves around a "he said, she said" type of argument. There's no way they'll try to convict someone like this. You can bet that the Police and the prosecutor's office are going to try and dissuade women from going with their cases. Why lose face and risk and acquittal?

You also can't forget that most victims know their aggressor, it's probably a co-worker or a friend, or their spouse. They'll cause problems for other people by pushing with the reporting, full circle to the first societal barrier.
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I could go in more detail, but because not everyone would know the same things, I would have to provide stats and documentation to show that I'm not just saying random shit and I cba atm.

The TL;DR The Japanese stats are mega suspect for quite a number of reasons, like a LOT of reasons. Tbh if I would have to pick one or two, it would def be the societal desire not to cause trouble and how police doesn't really want to report and put a case file to a case they know the prosecutor wont agree to prosecute because there's a good chance it wont lead to a conviction. I think the latter is probably the biggest factor though.


Good effort post, I appreciate it.
So yes, I actually agree that their stats are most definitely too low. However, like you said, I would still assume their rape rates to be quite low compared to other first world countries.

My perception might be skewed by the fact that in my own country, Japanese rank dead last in the list of rape rates by countries of origin of the perpetrator. (Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia sit at the top.)
But that's obviously a non-representative sample since almost all Japanese living here are either university students or wealthy businessmen.
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Nov 18 2020 07:59pm
Quote (Helloween7 @ Nov 18 2020 08:23pm)
I have no doubt that it's probably quite superior to a lot of countries but it's most likely disproportionately unreported compared to other first world countries. Several factors could explain this astonishing low rate of rape cases.

First let's look at some stats.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/rape-statistics-by-country

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#Policy_and_statistics_by_country

So, the only country that has that low of a rape rate besides countries who don't have a list, a couple baltic states or majority muslim countries who assures us that women are safe, is Japan.
The question one must ask, is... Is Japan that good at not raping their women? One could have doubts about this.

So, let's go down the list of things that might have an impact.

- It's frowned upon to cause problems in japanese society, especially at work.

- There's big drinking afterwork parties for team building, I wonder how well slim japanese of about 100-110lbs women can handle peer pressure drinking parties see also : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_flush_reaction

- Health and Labor minister assures us that women are going to keep having to wear mandatory high heels because it's the norm and therefore it's very good : https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-48534453#:~:text=A%20Japanese%20minister%20has%20said,minister,%20defended%20the%20controversial%20practice. For anyone who knows a little about Japan, that's pretty much how men see women in the workforce. They'll just leave and make babies. Which is why now they are not having babies to stay competitive in the workforce. Oopsies I guess.

- Tokyo train stations have safety wagons for women, why? Nobody get's assaulted, we're just doing this for fun.

- Child pornography was only outlawed in 2014 ( the last of the G7 to do so btw ) with a slap on the wrist sentence guidelines https://www.thejournal.ie/japan-child-abuse-2966815-Sep2016/
Speaking of child abuse, it's VERY frowned upon to go snoop about someone's family life. Japan has a huge problem with child abuse, because society and authorities turn a blind eye to such issues. Same phenomenon as unchecked bullying in schools. Japan pulls a little PaRD here, they deserved it.


Let's turn our attention to policing and courts in Japan. The biggest elephant in the room is the very high conviction rate of 99%~. This is literal dictatorship levels of conviction rate. The TL;DR for that is that they're allowed to keep re-applying for more time to interrogate as long as someone signs off on it. The more pertinent thing about this in case of rape rates, is that, it's a very private crime. Unless there's real forensic evidence, which considering how an absurd amount of women just go clean up and sleep it off, it revolves around a "he said, she said" type of argument. There's no way they'll try to convict someone like this. You can bet that the Police and the prosecutor's office are going to try and dissuade women from going with their cases. Why lose face and risk and acquittal?

You also can't forget that most victims know their aggressor, it's probably a co-worker or a friend, or their spouse. They'll cause problems for other people by pushing with the reporting, full circle to the first societal barrier.
-----

I could go in more detail, but because not everyone would know the same things, I would have to provide stats and documentation to show that I'm not just saying random shit and I cba atm.

The TL;DR The Japanese stats are mega suspect for quite a number of reasons, like a LOT of reasons. Tbh if I would have to pick one or two, it would def be the societal desire not to cause trouble and how police doesn't really want to report and put a case file to a case they know the prosecutor wont agree to prosecute because there's a good chance it wont lead to a conviction. I think the latter is probably the biggest factor though.


Half of black women get raped before the age of 18.

I don't think its even a contest...
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Nov 18 2020 09:06pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 18 2020 08:46pm)
Good effort post, I appreciate it.
So yes, I actually agree that their stats are most definitely too low. However, like you said, I would still assume their rape rates to be quite low compared to other first world countries.

My perception might be skewed by the fact that in my own country, Japanese rank dead last in the list of rape rates by countries of origin of the perpetrator. (Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia sit at the top.)
But that's obviously a non-representative sample since almost all Japanese living here are either university students or wealthy businessmen.


Yeah I can see how you'd look more fondly at Japanese when you compare them young, less rich and muslim individuals. It's night and day really. Rich and/or Asians usually try not fuck shit up abroad, they'll be much less restrained back at home. Imagine the shame of getting sentenced, jailed and then deported back to Japan for a violent crime, ayy lmao. That person will never work a high paying job in his/her life. Although thinking on how Japan is somehow technologically backward when it comes to work and how their government runs, it'll probably be not flagged since it's a crime that happened in another country.


But I really think that while most violent crime in general is down compared to almost all countries in Japan. I highly suspect that rape and child abuse is actually quite high compared to other comparable rich nations, at least relative to how they compare with other crimes non-violent or not. We'll probably never know the full of extent though, because just how many barriers are systemic and social progress and governmental change is slow to happen.

Another thing to consider, unlike your Germany and my Canada as well as more and more countries in recent years, it's still in law that to be considered rape you've gotta prove that you were incapable of defending yourself. Aka, you've gotta resist strongly or else your case will be a dud. So many cases just get insta dropped here.

Also funny tidbit, "consensual" incest between adults is not illegal. Imagine being raped by your brother or father, but somehow you were unable to prove it wasn't consensual and you were an adult so it's okay.

I've found an article depicting cases and all, which showcase a bit of the legal and how things are : https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/11/05/national/media-national/dubious-cost-sexual-assault-japan/

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Takahata was released on bail on Sept. 9 after prosecutors decided not to pursue charges over the incident. Takahata reportedly admitted raping the woman, according to police and Japanese media reports. However, Takahata is believed to have subsequently agreed on a settlement with the victim and prosecutors dropped the case. Once he had been freed, Takahata’s lawyers released a statement implying that they would have denied the charges if the case had gone to court.


Admitted to it to police, but it was dropped. For what reason?

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In Japan, rape (without injury) is categorized as shinkokuzai, an offence that cannot be prosecuted without a complaint by the victim. If a complaint is not made, or later retracted, the case falls apart.


The myth of the non-violent rape rearing it's ugly head here.

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Legal experts note that first-time offenders often walk away with a suspended sentence — even if they are convicted.

Take, for example, the case of Kensuke Matsumi, a University of Tokyo student who was convicted of sexually assaulting a classmate with several of his friends in May. The victim rejected his offer of a settlement.

On Sept. 20, the Tokyo District Court ruled that Matsumi’s actions were “despicable and caused unbearable suffering.” However, the 22-year-old student received a sentence of two years in prison, suspended for four years, because he had expressed remorse for his actions and had vowed to refrain from ever drinking alcohol again.


First time offenders often walk away with suspended sentences, I guess it illustrate how they think rape is actually that big of a deal. If you minimize it's violence, is it really a violent crime at all? Probably looks good on a crime stats sheet amirite :D


Quote (Thor123422 @ Nov 18 2020 08:28pm)
Japan's criminal justice system leaves a lot to be desired on reporting and investigating.

They go out of their way to maintain a 99% solved rate, and to do that it's well known they don't report incidents they know they can't solve, or they will railroad suspects to get a conviction.


It's funny, the issue with Japanese police is pretty complex. Their general crime has gone down, but they've got more cops than ever. They justify their existence they'll chase everyone and their mother for misdemeanor-like crimes because it's not a serious offense and the accused will probably confess easily and they'll get to write reports about how hard they're working. But when it comes to real policing, might as well not because what if the prosecutor's office lose the case?

There's been a consistent rise in arrest and jail time with the elderly for this same reason. Normally, in many countries you'd excuse the mentally degrading old men, but here, hey we've got quota to fill. Might as well arrest an old man being violent and disruptive to the public security of the nation.

Speaking of investigating, even the investigative journalism has taken a nose dive the last 15-20 years. The media literally just won't bother to talk about societal ills or wrongdoings and corruption by the government. Can't count on the mavericks to expose much, and nobody invites academics raising the alarm to showcase clearly alarming data about XYZ.

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Nov 18 2020 09:26pm
tbh this is old news
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Nov 18 2020 11:17pm
What shade of brown do you have to be considered black?
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Nov 19 2020 01:59am
Quote (excellence @ Nov 17 2020 07:54am)
Well there has been talk of this happening as a joke but it seems one school district in Washington state (home of the former soviet socialist republic of CHAZ, 2020-2020) has decided that Asians (and this is a wide net to cast) are no longer ‘people of color’

https://reason.com/2020/11/16/equity-report-north-thurston-asian-students-of-color/
https://www.thecollegefix.com/school-district-hides-statistics-page-that-excludes-asian-americans-from-students-of-color/

https://i.ibb.co/mHzmT9K/B8-E41-B39-01-EB-43-FE-83-DE-FC8259-C44615.png

now the school district has hid their data report after some backlash and made a generic statement saying ‘they didn’t mean any harm’ but we all know what they meant by their reporting and decision-making:

per washington state educators: if you or your children do well in school then ‘they ain’t a minority’.

Now while California firmly rejected prop 16 or whatever it was (which basically tried to reintroduce racial quotas and divisions, which would lead back to “separate but equal”), and of course noted racist institutions like Harvard and Yale have been sued for racial discrimination, it seems this racism by ‘educators’ still continues. Harvard makes sense since the Boston area is the south of the north, but this happening in Washington state (again, home of the former utopian soviet socialist republic of CHAZ) is concerning

thoughts my friends?


O.o there is a vastly different spread of country of origins among the Washington state Asians than I was expecting. Washington state has mainly Japanese, Chinese, Filipino, Korean, and Vietnamese. Very low relative Lao, Hmong, Thai percent.

My state had a similar spread until we took on tons of refugees tied to Khmr Rouge genocide.

Figure 1 on Page 10
https://capaa.wa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/AchievementGapReport.pdf (relevant title too... Closing Their Hidden Achievement Gaps ROFL)

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