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Sep 11 2020 03:08pm
Quote (Kosmos @ Sep 11 2020 05:07pm)
Facts hurt eh. Leftists don't like truth and facts I've noticed.


When you actually post some facts, we can talk. Until then, all you get is a :rofl:
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Sep 11 2020 03:10pm
Quote (Arsenic_Touch @ Sep 11 2020 11:08pm)
When you actually post some facts, we can talk. Until then, all you get is a :rofl:


All facts in my last post. Please point out one thing factually wrong. I will be happy to be corrected. Seems more like you lack general education as well as knowlage in foreign affairs.

https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-na-pol-obama-at-war/

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That moment when you're not sure anymore if you know what ''peace'' means.
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Sep 11 2020 03:23pm
Quote (jadeoshbogosh @ Sep 11 2020 01:25pm)
He lost the popular vote actually, so he wasn't voted in by your countrymen, he was made president by the electoral college system.... damn man, you really don't follow politics at all.

This conversation has become way too one-sided to continue. I'm glad you respect him and I hope you yourself never ever become involved in politics..


I know how it works and actually the electoral system worked as it should. I can say he was voted for by my countrymen because some did infact vote for him. He was elected even though both parties were not very keen on him at all. Im not even a Trump supporter. Im a constitutionalist and I do disagree with a lot that is said and done. Complaining about it however doesn't solve anything. Everyone has been hating Trump since his election. People literally beat other people half to death because they wore Trump hats. Sorry if I don't see the same way as you. Being president is a big task maybe even bigger then Trump initially predicted himself. If Obama can get 2 terms so can Trump. Biden is just not a good idea for several reasons. I wish third party people got more spotlight nothing will really change til we flip Washington on it's head.

Quote (Kosmos @ Sep 11 2020 03:04pm)
Obama's Nobel prize was like a bad Joke.

Obama was a WARLORD, compared to Trump. Sent more troops to the middle east than any president.

Trump is a saint in comparison and hasn't started armed conflict with any nation. Pulled back troops from the middle east. Started a peace deal between Israel and the United Arab Emirates, which he got nominated for. Also helped mediate between North and South Korea bringing more peace between the nations. Just to name a few things Trump helped mediate. The only war Trump started was a trade war with China.


I agree Everyone thought he was just gonna push the nuke button. He did back out of that nuke contract but I think its truly just a counter measure on North Korea

This post was edited by Theology on Sep 11 2020 03:29pm
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Sep 11 2020 03:31pm
Good stuff!
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Quote (Kosmos @ Sep 11 2020 05:10pm)
All facts in my last post. Please point out one thing factually wrong. I will be happy to be corrected. Seems more like you lack general education as well as knowlage in foreign affairs.

https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-na-pol-obama-at-war/


Yes, I'm the one lacking a general education and "knowlage"

Since you seem to be so "educated" you would know that he has repeatedly touted and bragged about billions in arms sales to Saudi Arabia(which is especially hilarious with his recent attacks against his own generals, and previous brags about giving the military everything they wanted, claiming they only want to make the defense contractors happy, how odd that he has been making them very happy with his arms deals), he vetoed a bill to end U.S. involvement in the war in Yemen(which also ties into the arms sales fueling said war), massively expanded bombing campaigns across the world including a record number in Afghanistan(while also doing away with the rules requiring the reporting of civilian deaths), he increased the Pentagon's budget for the fifth consecutive year to the point where it's now near Iraq War levels, added billions to a Pentagon slush fund specifically for war fighting(which he's also raided for his wall because he can't get his own people to agree to pay for it, and has bragged about sending U.S. troops to Saudi Arabia because Saudi Arabia would pay for it. You don't get to pretend that trump is a saint after dropping a MOAB and assassinating a general (which he also threatened to target cultural sites if they retaliated over. Even approved airstrikes and called them back while they were in air and ships in position. You don't get to start a conflict and then stop just short of pulling the trigger and act like you're saving people)

And that does not even include what he has been doing to his own citizens and residents(legal and illegal) of this country, or did you forget his tear gassing for a photo op or his cosplayers in camo gear rounding people up?

Now let's look at your list. He hasn't started an armed conflict with any nation? not for a lack of trying, and he hasn't ended any, he has continued existing ones. He hasn't actually pulled back troops from the middle east, but he most certainly abandoned our allies and gave up a military base to Russia during his "withdraw' so Turkey could move in, which was actually just him assigning them somewhere else. They're talking about pulling a few k out of Iraq(which is also funny because he threatened to sanction Iraq over their response to the assassination he okayed), when they were told to GTFO back in January, yet we still haven't seen anything about that actually happening. He had fuck all to do with israel and the UAE, two countries that weren't even at war with each other, which is actually just another arms deal for fueling more conflicts in the region. He hasn't done a damn thing in regards to North and South Korea except legitimize Kim's position and give him more propaganda to work with. Not to mention he spent a significant amount of time antagonizing them.

You can criticize Obama's foreign policy all you want, I've criticized it plenty my self, his continued Bush era bombing campaigns and extra-judiciary killing of a US citizen was a gorram travesty(but guess what? trump's first mission as president that he botched ended up with a dead serviceman and the death of another member of that very same family that Obama took out, who also happens to be a US citizen, in an operation that they changed their story numerous times about why they were there and claimed to have gathered LOADS of intel over and yet have nothing to show for it.) But to sit here and pretend that he's a saint compared to Obama is not only wrong, it's so divorced from reality that it actually pains me to read it.

Oh and his recent bragging about protecting Mohammed bin Salman from Congress over his killing and dismemberment of Washington Post journalist Jamal Khashogg, who was a permanent US resident, who was also working towards his citizenship, who had two children who were also US citizens that lived here. And then bypassing congress to sell more arms to Saudi Arabia and the UAE, while also vetoing three separate resolutions to block said sales, after he was murdered? yeah, he's such a saint.

That's why you get a :rofl:

Oh and speaking of his current campaigns in Afghanistan, six of Oregon's CH-47 Chinook helicopters that would've been used to fight the fires in Oregon are currently in the middle east.

This post was edited by Arsenic_Touch on Sep 11 2020 04:43pm
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Quote (jadeoshbogosh @ Sep 11 2020 04:39pm)
We live in a supposed democracy, it doesn't make sense to have a system where the person who gets the majority vote loses, especially when that scenario has only ever happened twice in modern history, both times costing a Democrat the election. If it was possible to go the other way I could at least see the argument, but if a system becomes negatively skewed to favor one side, it should be reworked.

For the record, I've never said I thought Hilary would have been a good President, I think she would have been shit and I loathe many of the things the Democrats do, but Trump is a joke.

I'll still never understand the argument of pointing out the worst of examples of mankind and claiming anyone who shares any affiliation with them is exactly the same. The small percentage of people that make up rioters are either idiots, opportunistic pieces of shit or both and they, like all criminals, should be tried for their crimes.




Wrong. Democratic Republic.


And I think I agree with most of the rest of what you said.

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Sep 11 2020 05:26pm
Quote (jadeoshbogosh @ Sep 11 2020 04:39pm)
We live in a supposed democracy, it doesn't make sense to have a system where the person who gets the majority vote loses, especially when that scenario has only ever happened twice in modern history, both times costing a Democrat the election. If it was possible to go the other way I could at least see the argument, but if a system becomes negatively skewed to favor one side, it should be reworked.

For the record, I've never said I thought Hilary would have been a good President, I think she would have been shit and I loathe many of the things the Democrats do, but Trump is a joke.

I'll still never understand the argument of pointing out the worst of examples of mankind and claiming anyone who shares any affiliation with them is exactly the same. The small percentage of people that make up rioters are either idiots, opportunistic pieces of shit or both and they, like all criminals, should be tried for their crimes.



Lol that's a bizarre reading of history considering the guy who founded the democratic party won the popular vote and lost the presidential election.
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Quote (Theology @ Sep 11 2020 02:23pm)
I know how it works and actually the electoral system worked as it should. I can say he was voted for by my countrymen because some did infact vote for him. He was elected even though both parties were not very keen on him at all. Im not even a Trump supporter. Im a constitutionalist and I do disagree with a lot that is said and done. Complaining about it however doesn't solve anything. Everyone has been hating Trump since his election. People literally beat other people half to death because they wore Trump hats. Sorry if I don't see the same way as you. Being president is a big task maybe even bigger then Trump initially predicted himself. If Obama can get 2 terms so can Trump. Biden is just not a good idea for several reasons. I wish third party people got more spotlight nothing will really change til we flip Washington on it's head.



I agree Everyone thought he was just gonna push the nuke button. He did back out of that nuke contract but I think its truly just a counter measure on North Korea


You're not a Trump supporter, just someone who adamantly defends him, ignores his faults, considers his costly actions at the expense or the American people as wins, and someone who thinks the most openly hateful and stupid major politican in the last 100 years, is just getting a bad shake from people and from the media...... yep, you're nothing at all like your average Trump supporter.

When you've got people shooting up Mosques quoting Trump as an inspiration, it's a whack job. When you've got anti-trump thugs who beat someone, it's a sign of the Democrats promoting hate and violence against a good man. I know you can't/won't see the hypocrisy of claiming a man who openly calls for violence in his own streets, a man who shits on the memory of fallen, a man who will tear gas peaceful supporters for a photo op and a man who refuses to condemn groups like the KKK for fear of how it might impact his numbers, is just getting an unfair shake and all this hatred of him is totally uncalled for.

If you still support or can vote for Trump, which regardless of what you keep trying to say, you clearly will, you're either A. Brainwashed, B. Intentionally misinformed, C. Incapable of grasping the severity of the situation or D. Profiting from the rampant corruption.
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