this is how biden supporters behave. if the politician they want to rule like a dictator doesn’t win an election they commit violence and riot and deny the election for years

None of this would have happened if he had just continued Obama's policies!!!11

No, it simply means what it says. He's presiding over this chaos. After acknowledging that fact, we can look at how his behavior and policy in office has influenced the chaos.

Presidents are held accountable for many things that they aren't responsible for. It's just the nature of the business. The more important question is who is more likely to overcome this chaotic moment in our history. There's simply no reason to believe Trump getting re-elected will somehow lessen the concerns of protesters, activists, and even rioters. To believe so is to entertain a fictional world where these protests just happen because Democrats aren't forceful enough against them. Right-wingers need to face reality and understand that these issues are never going to go away without being addressed in a significant manner(both politically and rhetorically).

I don't think it's Trump's fault. I just think he makes the situation worse, and a president like Biden would make it better.

These police shootings are unfortunately going to keep happening. But someone in the White House who actually appears to give a shit and tries to fix it is important.

This post was edited by IceMage on Aug 30 2020 01:02pm

Pretty obvious IMO.

Obama actively worked with local police departments to improve their treatment of the community. He made hundreds of assistance agreements with police departments known to have problems. Trump has not done any of that at all, and has actually encouraged police brutality both in speeches (don't be too nice when you're apprehending criminals) and in policy (sending unidentifiable federal troops who brutalized journalists hundreds of feet from protesters).

You guys are trying to say that Trump has no responsibility, but that's just your defense mechanisms kicking in again. He's the president. There's virtually nothing in the country that he is separate from. This isn't an unknown problem, it's something that's been going on since before he was born. He has absolutely no excuse for not being aware of it and has even more responsibility for actively fanning the flames.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Aug 30 2020 01:04pm

Ferguson and Baltimore never happened apparently lmfao

oblivion npc dialogue by the usual pale pasty privileged lefty suspects

His behavior and policy should have only a very marginal effect on the bevhavior of local PDs. By contrast, the fact that the media and the Democrats have inreasingly adopted more and more radical positions over the course of Trump's presidency has directly emboldened groups like BLM, or movements like CHAZ/CHOP. Trump didnt create this monster, it were his opponents in their deranged, short-sighted fervor and their urge to side with everyone and everything opposing him.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 30 2020 01:09pm

So Trump's behavior, being the president, only has marginal affects on the police (government workers beholden to the executive), but Democrats behavior greatly emboldens non-government groups?

You're not being consistent.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Aug 30 2020 01:09pm

As we discussed in a different thread, the police response to violent protests has been in line with precedent. That isn't a Democrat / Republican issue. Additionally, we've seen some videos of journalists as active participants in the protests, so we need to evaluate those situations on a case by case basis. When journalists become activists, they're liable to be treated like activists.

The Democratic party has controlled these cities for decades. If the narrative of systemic racial abuse is correct, the Democratic party naturally owns the major share of that blame. Conservatives are simply pointing out how absurd the Democratic position is. It's akin to the Soviets blaming every misfortune or policy failure on the work of fascist counterrevolutionaries who simply didn't exist.

Too many protestors shouting black lives matter while they destroy their cities and further the reason why they are the most hated group in America and will never accomplish anything except further restrictions and targeting