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Aug 11 2020 06:39pm
Quote (IceMage @ Aug 11 2020 07:30pm)
This points to something in our politics... where there's no shared humanity or decency between us. Kamala's story can't be lauded as an example of immigrant success because she's the political enemy. Right-wingers attribute her success to gender and race, while denying that gender and race is a reason to oppose her.


Whether you like it or not, her success did indeed come from sleeping with a 60 year old Willie Brown.
There are millions of immigrants in America who have success stories that come from small business ventures, from hard work or paying their way through college, through family connections or being born into wealth. There are millions who aren't success stories. Horizontal Harris's story is that she was deputy prosecutor fresh out of law school with just 4 years experience and a handful of internships when she skyrocketed to the the unemployment appeals board and a career at the inner circle of politics, which she was given because she was banging Willie Brown.
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Aug 11 2020 06:42pm
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Whether you like it or not, her success did indeed come from sleeping with a 60 year old Willie Brown.
There are millions of immigrants in America who have success stories that come from small business ventures, from hard work or paying their way through college, through family connections or being born into wealth. There are millions who aren't success stories. Horizontal Harris's story is that she was deputy prosecutor fresh out of law school with just 4 years experience and a handful of internships when she skyrocketed to the the unemployment appeals board and a career at the inner circle of politics, which she was given because she was banging Willie Brown.


Is this the same Goomshill who was expressing outrage when we debated Trump's wife getting criticized for posting naked? Cruz's campaign was apparently slut shaming?

I suppose these arguments are fit for those who don't have a memory. I do.
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Aug 11 2020 06:43pm
Quote (IceMage @ Aug 11 2020 07:52pm)
I don't feel like defending Hillary in a forum filled with Trump supporters... at some point it gets old.

But concerning the VP pick. No reasonable choice from Biden would appeal to you guys. Understanding that, who do you think would've been a better pick politically?




I think it's great that he picked Kamala. She's like the most Republican Democrat he could have picked. :D
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Aug 11 2020 06:45pm
Quote (IceMage @ 12 Aug 2020 02:37)
That's your perspective, but Biden's decision to pick a woman, which historically almost never happens, is inclusive. Particularly a black and Indian woman. Historically breaking two barriers. These symbolic gestures don't mean that much to me... at the same time, I'm not offended by them like the cult is.

I don't know if your talking point is true or not, but why exactly is it relevant? Is a person ruthlessly pursuing their interests in life suddenly wrong? Am I supposed to be way more offended if Kamala pursued relationships to gain power, than I am Trump or any other male politician doing the same thing in a different context? I honestly don't understand it. There's this sexist notion that women have to abide by entirely different standards than men to be relevant in politics. I don't accept it.


You accused me of sexism. I explained that I am against "sleeping up" irrespective of the gender of the involved persons. If you think that being against sleeping up regardless of gender is still sexist, then so be it.

Similarly, you claimed that I dont give Harris the credit she deserves and try to attribute her success to her race and gender... when it is crystal clear that her race and gender were very significant contributing factors in her political career, particularly for clinching the VP slot.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 11 2020 06:47pm
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Is this the same Goomshill who was expressing outrage when we debated Trump's wife getting criticized for posting naked? Cruz's campaign was apparently slut shaming?

I suppose these arguments are fit for those who don't have a memory. I do.


It would be a bad 'argument' if someone tried to say Melania Trump is an immigrant success story that has nothing to do with her sex or appearance
Its more a statement of fact, Kamala Harris become successful by sleeping her way to the top. She has a record since then to be judged on, and her reaction has always been to point out that once she was given her corrupt patronage job, she actually did the job. In that regard, I guess her story is at least an improvement over Hunter Biden's no-show gigs, and not paid nearly as much.
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Aug 11 2020 06:51pm
Quote (IceMage @ 12 Aug 2020 02:42)
Is this the same Goomshill who was expressing outrage when we debated Trump's wife getting criticized for posting naked? Cruz's campaign was apparently slut shaming?

I suppose these arguments are fit for those who don't have a memory. I do.


The sluttiness of Trump's wife is objectively irrelevant for his aptitude to serve as president.
By contrast, the question whether candidate X built his/her political career on meritocratic achievement or on back room maneuvers or on being born with the fotm demographic attributes is very relevant when assessing his/her own aptitude.
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Aug 11 2020 06:54pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 11 2020 08:45pm)
You accused me of sexism. I explained that I am against "sleeping up" irrespective of the gender of the involved persons. If you think that being against sleeping up regardless of gender is still sexist, then so be it.

Similarly, you claimed that I dont give Harris the credit she deserves and try to attribute her success to her race and gender... when it is crystal clear that her race and gender were very significant contributing factors to her political career, particularly in her clinching the VP slot.


Sure, we're just supposed to completely ignore the cultural context of men having the power and expecting sexual favors from female co-workers in order to give them promotions.

Trump did what he had to do in donating money to Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris in campaign donations. He was just working in the system that existed... it can't be held against him. But Kamala allegedly pursuing relationships which benefited her career is sacrilege.

Makes perfect sense.

Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 11 2020 08:48pm)
It would be a bad 'argument' if someone tried to say Melania Trump is an immigrant success story that has nothing to do with her sex or appearance
Its more a statement of fact, Kamala Harris become successful by sleeping her way to the top. She has a record since then to be judged on, and her reaction has always been to point out that once she was given her corrupt patronage job, she actually did the job. In that regard, I guess her story is at least an improvement over Hunter Biden's no-show gigs, and not paid nearly as much.


As usual, you're just repeating right-wing talking points as fact, and pretending everyone else simply accepts them.

I don't know about Kamala's relationships, cause I don't care. I'm not obsessive about the sex lives of female politicians. But even conceding the worst characterization of them, it's not a good criticism from the perspective of Trump cultists. The fake moralism from you guys is completely laughable.
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Aug 11 2020 06:56pm
Quote (IceMage @ Aug 11 2020 07:54pm)
As usual, you're just repeating right-wing talking points as fact, and pretending everyone else simply accepts them.

I don't know about Kamala's relationships, cause I don't care. I'm not obsessive about the sex lives of female politicians. But even conceding the worst characterization of them, it's not a good criticism from the perspective of Trump cultists. The fake moralism from you guys is completely laughable.


So its a 'right-wing talking point' that you don't know anything about and therefore dismiss out of hand
except ya know, I heard it from Willie Brown

https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/Sure-I-dated-Kamala-Harris-So-what-13562972.php
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Aug 11 2020 07:00pm
Quote (IceMage @ 12 Aug 2020 02:54)
Sure, we're just supposed to completely ignore the cultural context of men having the power and expecting sexual favors from female co-workers in order to give them promotions.

Trump did what he had to do in donating money to Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris in campaign donations. He was just working in the system that existed... it can't be held against him. But Kamala allegedly pursuing relationships which benefited her career is sacrilege.

Makes perfect sense.


Like I just explained: Trump having donated to Hillary or Harris to before going into politics because he gamed the system tells us nothing about his qualification or ability as a politician. By contrast, it makes a ton of a difference if Harris got into her current position (one heartbeat away from becoming President of the United States once their ticket wins the election) because she demonstrated great skill in her previous roles, or if she just got there because she slept her way up and happened to tick the right diversity boxes.

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