Quote (Goomshill @ Jul 17 2020 12:26am)

What a small step it is between doctor joseph mercola and doctor josef mengele. It would have been totally fine to force a gender transition therapy onto a child who has no gender dysphoria or transgender identity, as long as they could have gotten consent from him or his family. You know, the part of the hippocratic oath about 'do no harm' even applies to the willing. Someone should have reminded the doctors 'treating' noa pothoven

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6370611/

Transwomen
Estrogens in combination with an anti-androgen are the standard first-choice gender-affirming hormone treatments for transwomen.

Estrogen
Estradiol is preferred, as it most closely resembles the hormone produced by the ovaries. It is prescribed in a similar way to hormone replacement therapy for postmenopausal women, but with slightly higher doses. The dose of estradiol valerate tablets starts at 2–4 mg daily, increasing up to 8 mg. Tablets can be given in divided doses if nausea occurs at higher doses.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Jul 16 2020 10:19pm)

Good, now you're catching on. Go ask an endocrinologist if estrogen is the "female sex hormone" and they might agree because you're a layperson and it's not worth the time to go into the full explanation. Go read the endocrinology literature and you'll find "female sex hormone" as outdated terminology that doesn't fully capture the reality of the hormones effect on bodies.

Quote (addone @ Jul 16 2020 10:55pm)

wait did i hear that right?

Doctors treating the boy with estrogen trying to feminize him because they think he has too much masculinity/testostorone?

If so that is a new one.

Quote (proccy @ Jul 17 2020 12:55am)

how much would you like to bet one of these doctors was an endocrinologist
how much would i like to bet you know as much as one, and that i should just take your word for it :/
thx tho new area of intrigue i may or may not look into

Quote (addone @ Jul 17 2020 12:55am)

wait did i hear that right?

Doctors treating the boy with estrogen trying to feminize him because they think he has too much masculinity/testostorone?

If so that is a new one.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Jul 16 2020 10:59pm)

I definitely don't know as much as an endocrinologist, but I know enough to know that just saying "estrogen is female sex hormone therefore they were trying to induce a gender change" is bullshit lol.

Look, if they subpoena documents and get charts where the doctor wrote "definitely needs to be a woman. Too toxically masculine so let's make him a woman" then Goom will have been right, but absent something like that it's not and as far as I saw not even the complaint lodges that allegation. This is an informed consent case, not a case of evil liberal doctors trying to force little boys to be girls.

Quote (proccy @ Jul 17 2020 01:20am)

imo it doesn't matter ''what you call it''.... that is the prescribed method of transitioning for a reason...

arguing over the intention is like arguing that you didn't shoot a man to kill him, you stabbed him with bullets to kill him.

Quote (Goomshill @ Jul 17 2020 06:06pm)

Within a day of arrived at juvie hall, the resident doctor diagnosed him with ODD, "Oppositional Defiant Disorder", which is a description of a personality of a child who is antisocial, irritable, aggressive, has a chip on his shoulder, is defiant against authority figures, etc. In other words, a perfectly normal human personality archetype. The doctor had a theory such behavior is caused by testosterone and took an involuntary blood sample and found slightly above-normal testosterone levels, and then forced the kid to take female sex hormones at the normal gender transition prescription, under duress and without consent from him or his parents. A treatment regime for which there is no scientific basis or proven efficacy, it was just an "experiment".

Quote (Thor123422 @ Jul 16 2020 11:22pm)

It matters a lot lol

If I give a woman birth control for her ovarian cysts am I "Trying to keep her sterile"? No, of course not. That's ridiculous.

If their experiment was "to see if gender transitions help with ODD" then yeah, Goom is right, but absent that it's ridiculous editorializing.