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Jul 1 2020 09:47am
Quote (Leevee @ Jul 1 2020 10:24am)
The “escaping poverty” narrative is a red herring.

For an individual, it is indeed possible (if difficult) to move out of poverty. The issue is that when this person leaves their underpaid job behind, this underpaid job is then taken by a different person who will be in poverty. There are not enough well paid jobs and entrepreneurship opportunities for everyone, so the problem of poverty is always remain.

The current market in most Western countries leads to an equilibrium that will always maintain itself: a certain percentage of people are rich, a certain percentage are middle class, and a certain percentage are poor. Talking about whether por not an individual can escape poverty is nothing but a distraction from this issue.


Even underpaying jobs wont make you below the poverty line. The median wage is high enough to avoid that. The cause of the poverty are vices like sexual liberation and the abandonment of marriage.
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Rich dad, poor dad.


Should be "Rich dad, poor dad, no dad". I'd read that
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Jul 1 2020 10:28am
THERE IS NO POVERTY IN THE U.S. UNLESS YOUR MENTALLY ILL, DISABLED OR HAVE A CHILD.
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Jul 1 2020 10:38am
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Even underpaying jobs wont make you below the poverty line. The median wage is high enough to avoid that. The cause of the poverty are vices like sexual liberation and the abandonment of marriage.


You should consider reading your own posts before you submit them.

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Quote (Leevee @ Jul 1 2020 10:24am)
The “escaping poverty” narrative is a red herring.

For an individual, it is indeed possible (if difficult) to move out of poverty. The issue is that when this person leaves their underpaid job behind, this underpaid job is then taken by a different person who will be in poverty. There are not enough well paid jobs and entrepreneurship opportunities for everyone, so the problem of poverty is always remain.

The current market in most Western countries leads to an equilibrium that will always maintain itself: a certain percentage of people are rich, a certain percentage are middle class, and a certain percentage are poor. Talking about whether por not an individual can escape poverty is nothing but a distraction from this issue.


Inequality is as old as history and thinking we can somehow legislate it away is counter to how not only humanity has functioned but pretty much almost all animal species work.

Even in egalitarian societies such as communism, the idea doesn't manifest into practice, and that's been proven over and over almost on every continent.

There needs to be underpaid, low entry barrier jobs because that's how we inherently excel and want more in life. When i was 18 i had a job paying $7.25 an hour. It sucked and i ended up getting fired. Having that garbage job served as a motivator to excel. If you remove the negative stimuli you will significantly reduce drive. If i was making 30 dollars an hour in that job i probably never would have gotten my bachelors and go on for a graduate degree now.

The underpaid jobs are a necessary mechanism. It would be highly damaging to mess with that mechanism. People should be encouraged to be better not conditioned to be complacent.
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Inequality is as old as history and thinking we can somehow legislate it away is counter to how not only humanity has functioned but pretty much almost all animal species work.

Even in egalitarian societies such as communism, the idea doesn't manifest into practice, and that's been proven over and over almost on every continent.

There needs to be underpaid, low entry barrier jobs because that's how we inherently excel and want more in life. When i was 18 i had a job paying $7.25 an hour. It sucked and i ended up getting fired. Having that garbage job served as a motivator to excel. If you remove the negative stimuli you will significantly reduce drive. If i was making 30 dollars an hour in that job i probably never would have gotten my bachelors and go on for a graduate degree now.

The underpaid jobs are a necessary mechanism. It would be highly damaging to mess with that mechanism. People should be encouraged to be better not conditioned to be complacent.


The issue isn't that inequality exists, it's to what degree it exists. The wealth distribution has gone so far out of balance that we are losing a ton of efficiency because of it.
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Inequality is as old as history and thinking we can somehow legislate it away is counter to how not only humanity has functioned but pretty much almost all animal species work.

Even in egalitarian societies such as communism, the idea doesn't manifest into practice, and that's been proven over and over almost on every continent.

There needs to be underpaid, low entry barrier jobs because that's how we inherently excel and want more in life. When i was 18 i had a job paying $7.25 an hour. It sucked and i ended up getting fired. Having that garbage job served as a motivator to excel. If you remove the negative stimuli you will significantly reduce drive. If i was making 30 dollars an hour in that job i probably never would have gotten my bachelors and go on for a graduate degree now.

The underpaid jobs are a necessary mechanism. It would be highly damaging to mess with that mechanism. People should be encouraged to be better not conditioned to be complacent.


Inequality has always existed. What has not always existed, however, is the colossal amounts of wealth that we are generating these days. We are already producing more than enough to give everybody a comfortable life; we are simply choosing not to do it because we lazy enough to say that poverty is a necessary part of the system.

People should indeed be encouraged to do better, but when it leads to situations where people are doing two full-time jobs simultaneously and still can't make ends meet then something is undeniably wrong, and it's not to be blamed on that person themselves.
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