I already know the math of the rates of different events.

I know that you don't know.

I have also done emergency medical training and I know neither of us could likely have saved floyd's life.
You can try, but if his heart is stopped the odds of chest compression successfully reviving him are about 1 in 10, and thats factoring in just delaying heart tissue death until EMTs arrive.
Look at that autopsy, its not like he just had one errant blockage and if it could be cleared he would be good as new. His heart was ready to explode, the walls severely lopsided and nearly double a normal human weight and 90% blocked.
You're talking about it as if chest compressions would have made him more likely than not to survive. That flies in the face of statistics from normal heart failure with/without CPR, let alone on someone suffering from such extreme latestage chronic heart disease

So not using illegal choke holds that are proven to kill people is step one.

Step two, if you can't resist, don't casually have your hands in your pockets while they beg and you smirk.

But I'm sure it was a stoke, catastrophic renal failure from 40s and lean, a massive myocardial infarction from soul food, pulmonary embolism cuz black & milds and newports. He would have dead if he was not murdered anyway so no harm no foul.

Did you miss the part where it was a legal neck restraint authorized by he police handbook? One specifically used because when done as the officer did, it obstructs neither breathing nor bloodflow

I thought we were talking about Minneapolis and the guy with the casual knee in the throat and hands in pockets. No way that's police training. My bad.

His heart stopped long after the cops started holding him down and it may not have happened at all without the additional stress and exertion.
The coroner disagreed with your assessment.

As is your statement an opinion.

Law Enforcement Officers are not the same as "members of the community". How often are members of the community entrusted (and can face liability and punishment for not intervening) in criminal cases?


The "If he was a citizen this wouldnt hold up" argument isn't valid. It's not the same thing.

You do not have to be in that situation. A LEO can't just leave the scene or allow others to be placed in danger because you don't want to handle it.

And in a lot of criminal cases, I believe a civilian shouldn't get involved but instead be a witness and report it to the authorities.

That's why LEO's have special protections (and they should when their actions are done in good faith). Add on that you have to make immediate life second decisions under extreme levels of stress and it makes total sense why it is harder to convict a police officer.

I can guarantee most of these citizens saying this crap have never had their life in danger to the same extent as a LEO.

That's the real reality.

This post was edited by GLYC123 on Jun 18 2020 04:37am

another one:

Love it. I can respect the activists that do this and come with an open mind. So many people are so oblivious to reality.