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a lot of those rioters would have preferred to lose to the national-socialists it seems. wonder if old heinrich made his way into that crowd


:lol: excellent post my friend! that cracked me up
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He created one of the world's largest famines in India. But Mao was bad, not him.


If you research this topic you'll find you're wrong and most historians will attest to that.
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If you research this topic you'll find you're wrong and most historians will attest to that.


Please talk more about this. I'm not familiar with either side
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Quote (dro94 @ Jun 8 2020 04:34pm)
If you research this topic you'll find you're wrong and most historians will attest to that.


Then I'll have to look into that. What i was taught about to man was that he was a great wartime leader but not a good peace time leader.


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Please talk more about this. I'm not familiar with either side


Diverted food from the British colony of India to feed British soldiers Resulting in massive famine. Between the famine of India and the fire bombing of Dresden a lot of people called Nuremberg trials victors justice and a sham, as india's rep abstained in protest.
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Quote (dro94 @ 8 Jun 2020 22:34)
If you research this topic you'll find you're wrong and most historians will attest to that.


it's a matter of controversy... He helped hard in killing 60 millions indians by incompetence ? Maybe not only.

"I hate Indians. They are a beastly people, with a beastly religion."

"I do not understand this delicate attitude towards the use of gas. I strongly support the use of toxic gases against uncivilized tribes."
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Blm is an extremist group as far as im concerned. Before facts about an incident are released they blame the white man or the police. You call them out for anything they play the racist card like all of em do. Any group that spreads false information and propaganda needs to be squashed.

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Quote (Tsumo @ Jun 6 2020 04:59am)
Why should only black lives matter?

E V E R Y . L I V E S . M A T T E R !


Regards :hug:


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/amp32745051/what-black-lives-matter-means/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wthr.com/article/commentary-why-you-shouldnt-respond-black-lives-matter-all-lives-matter%3famp


It’s the systematic racism you were born with bro, being white = being racist.

Fucking plebs and they’re retarded ideas. ALL LIVES MATTER you fucking losers.
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Jun 8 2020 10:05pm)
Please talk more about this. I'm not familiar with either side


Alright.

Winston Churchill was born to a wealthy aristocratic family (much like Scaly's) in 1874 and brought up with Britain still being the most powerful nation in the world. This backstory is important because it provides the narrative as to why Churchill was a colonialist and, yes, a racist. The vast majority of British people were similarly racist and had colonialist views.

During WW2, India was still part of the British Empire. Bengal was an extremely poor province even by India's standards; a significant proportion of the population were malnourished in peacetime and agriculture was the main source of income. The familiar land owner - peasant dynamic was in full force between Indians in the caste system.

In 1942, Japan invaded the British colony of Burma (known as Myanmar today). This caused the displacement of many ethnic Indians who then fleed West, and if they survived they made it to Bangladesh or Bengal. Burma was a big exporter of rice and with the Japanese now controlling the supply chain, it was rerouted towards the Imperial Army. The Japanese caused havoc in the Bay of Bengal and sunk thousands of merchant boats carrying grain, medical supplies, etc.

With the supply of food already waning, prices started to increase rapidly...

The British Army were expending the majority of their resources on the Western Front, and so they knew they could not win against the Japanese in Asia. As the Japanese advanced, Bengal became a strategic location with a necessary increased military presence. British troops came in, took control of some farmland in the East and began a scorched earth policy in East Bengal, to deny the Japs of a key resource in the war. The shortage of food was almost at breaking point now.

With the situation getting worse, the Indian government imposed price caps. They banned trading between provinces. It was a disaster and left the Western provinces in relative luxury compared to provinces closer to the action.

Food was now being prioritised to the military and 'military-related' sectors. Within the Indian caste system this mainly ended up with food in the hands of the rich at the expense of the poor.

It's now 1943. India were requesting food imports from Britain as a matter of urgency. People were dying. Churchill and his government refused to allow it - in their eyes, the diversion of resources away from the homeland and centre of the fighting was not appropriate.

About 2 million people died of starvation as a result of all the above. I feel that was an honest and unbiased explanation of events as they occurred.


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Jun 8 2020 04:09pm
BLM PEOPLE!!



DINDU NUFFIN!!
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Jun 8 2020 04:15pm
The point here is that context needs to be applied. Churchill was definitely guilty of contributing to the famine through policy, but to what extent?

What would you have done in his position? Diverting food away from the Western Front to feed Bengalise peasants may have been the right thing to do, but it wasn't strategically wise in defeating the Nazi's. These are the impossibly difficult decisions leaders have to make in times of war that you'll luckily never have to experience and have people scrutinising you over it with minimal information 85 years later.
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