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Jun 2 2020 08:27pm
Quote (Ghot @ Jun 2 2020 09:23pm)
There's no way to miss the fact that some police officers make mistakes, for w/e reason.
Considering the number of incidents and the number of police officers... the incident percentage is very, very low.


You are assuming we hear about all of them, or even a significant fraction of them. We don't see most of the abuse, we only see the worst offenses

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When I say that we should save the rainforests, I mean that we should prop them up over the previous boreal forest class hegemony. Save the rainforests, fuck all other forest types.
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Jun 2 2020 08:31pm
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You are assuming we hear about all of them, or even a significant fraction of them


Yes and a good percentage of the ones we dont hear about are when white people are unfairly murdered by shitty cops. But since they cant blame that on racism, it gets swept under the rug. Attribute to stupidity before you attribute to malice. I dont see any evidence that the murder of Floyd was motivated by race. The problem is bad cops. and then a smaller percentage of the already small percentage of bad cops are also racist cops. I dont understand why everyone is so quick to jump on it as institutional racism with no evidence when institutional stupidity is a far more likely reason.

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Jun 2 2020 08:33pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Jun 2 2020 10:27pm)
You are assuming we hear about all of them, or even a significant fraction of them. We don't see most of the abuse, we only see the worst offenses




Dude there's 1.2 million officers in the US. We don't see ANY where the cops weren't at fault. 1000 incidents would only be 8.3x 10^-4% or .00083 %

/e Hell 10,000 incidents would only be .0083 %, and that's assuming ALL the officers were guilty. As long as you have to use people for officers, you will never get perfection.

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Yes and a good percentage of the ones we dont hear about are when white people are unfairly murdered by shitty cops. But since they cant blame that on racism, it gets swept under the rug. Attribute to stupidity before you attribute to malice. I dont see any evidence that the murder of Floyd was motivated by race. The problem is bad cops. and then a smaller percentage of the already small percentage of bad cops are also racist cops. I dont understand why everyone is so quick to jump on it as institutional racism when you can also say its institutional stupidity.


It's actually because white people don't have a history of being systematically abused by the police that continues to this day the way black people do.

We are so quick to jump on the institutional racism because it's really fucking obvious if you have a basic understanding of history and the trends in the country. This isn't something that just started happening and started getting media attention. It went on before civil rights, during the civil rights marches, and continued beyond the passage of civil rights. It only seems weird that it's being called institutional racism if you have no historical context.
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It's actually because white people don't have a history of being systematically abused by the police that continues to this day the way black people do.

We are so quick to jump on the institutional racism because it's really fucking obvious if you have a basic understanding of history and the trends in the country. This isn't something that just started happening and started getting media attention. It went on before civil rights, during the civil rights marches, and continued beyond the passage of civil rights. It only seems weird that it's being called institutional racism if you have no historical context.



Well ya of course in the past there has been institutional racism. I said it doesnt exist now, not that it never had. I definitely understand that slavery and jim crow laws have had a lasting impact on black america, but they have been long abolished. so what is left of the systematic racism? I do not see it. Father absence, the breakdown of the family unit, needing better access to higher education, literacy rates, high crime rates. these are issues facing black america and that need to be fixed. show me where in the law books is black oppression.

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Well ya of course in the past there has been institutional racism. I said it doesnt exist now, not that it never had. I definitely understand that slavery and jim crow laws have had a lasting impact on black america, but they have been long abolished. so what is left of the systematic racism? I do not see it. Father absence, the breakdown of the family unit, needing better access to higher education, literacy rates, high crime rates. these are issues facing black america and that need to be fixed. show me where in the law books is black oppression.


Then you need to do more research on what systematic racism entails, because slavery and jim crow are gone, but there are far more things that went on and are still continuing today.

I'll give you a really easy one. The explicit purpose of the drug war, admitted by the people who enacted the laws, was to demonize minorities and put them behind bars. They specifically singled out drugs that minorities were more likely to use and increased the sentences on those because that was the goal. These laws are still mostly on the books and still disproportionately affect minorities.

In North Carolina they added voter ID and specifically excluded the methods of voter ID that minorities were most likely to use, closed polling stations used by minorities with surgical precision and went out of their way to disadvantage minorities in getting to the polls.

You need to do more research onto this subject because the systemic racism only barely hides behind the veil of plausible deniability, and often doesn't even need to.
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Jun 2 2020 08:52pm
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That may be how you interpret it, however that’s not what the message is.

The message is Black. Lives. Matter.

Nobody is saying other lives don’t matter, or matter less.

It’s like if you lived in a neighborhood & your neighbor’s house is on fire. You run outside & here your neighbor say “my house matters” as he sprays his house with a water hose. You start to spray your house with your water hose & say “ but what about my house, or his house, don’t they matter to...? Your neighbor replies “Yes, BUT YOUR HOUSE ISN’T ON FIRE

That’s basically what you’re doing, Ghot.

There’s even a parable in the Bible that describes this same message. Luke 15. Shepard has 100 sheep. 1 sheep gets lost. He goes after the 1 sheep. Do the other 99 not matter ? If course they do, but they’re not the one in danger.


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Jun 2 2020 08:56pm
Quote (Ghot @ Jun 2 2020 12:21pm)
Because there are MANY people (I won't mention any races) that don't believe that all, lives matter. They only believe that THEIR lives matter.


Grow balls and say what you mean. Enough with the sarcasm. Just say what you want to say. Go ahead, I dare you. I triple dog dare you!

Please go on.
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