An armed robber accosts you on the street and says

"Your money or your life!"

Thor, an intellectual: I have an option here so this isn't really theft.

And you accuse others of being dishonest lol

"Your money or you die to exposure, because you live somewhere that snows and is cold!"



Bump

Accurately applying the standards you set to applicable stories in order to illustrate how laughably wrong you are isn't dishonesty.

im not applying any different standards, ive said perhaps a dozen times that you can avoid some taxes, but not all taxes. its virtually impossible to avoid all taxes. and if it is you'd be propping up the idea that "poor people can just move, welfare shouldn't exist, pull yourself up by your bootstraps", which you've ignored many times now to keep talking about one small part of taxes. life without taxes isn't in reality possible, whether it's sales taxes or some other kind of taxes, unless you are doing it illegally. which applies to rent, because people can and have squatted successfully without going to jail. but living in someones house rent free or even on the streets isn't illegal, and it's not only possible its a huge problem in the USA.



not at all. taxes are a service, you just cant opt out of any parts of the taxes or negotiate them down. in rent u can opt to rent only 1 room, u can even ask for a lower price, or u can avoid paying it at all by leeching off of relatives. taxes aren't negotiable, you cant reduce them by giving up certain services, etc. similar, yes. a 1:1 comparison as thor has failed to prove 12 times now mostly to the entertainment of others, no.

if you could opt out of any or all of the services taxes fund it would be 1:1, but we all know you cant opt out of any services for less taxes. you can make less to pay less, but there's no negotiation, only choices. even if thor somehow works out that renting has many more choices involved (he wont), he cant get around the fact that one is negotiable and the other isn't. he's too invested to admit its anything but a 1:1, you can only say that so many times before you realize youre wrong then disappear for the night and act like you're sleeping.

People are disagreeing that taxation is literally the same as rent, particularly in relation to its compulsory status, and they are disagreeing that erroneously bringing up rent means that taxation isn't theft.

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Apr 30 2020 08:38pm

"You have a choice in paying rent"
Not really, I have to have a place to live.

"You can be homeless if you want so you don't pay for a house or rent"
you can go without income and property if you want and not pay taxes. It's just as much of a choice

"You can negotiate with a home seller or renter, you can't negotiate with the government"
Sure you can, you just won't get anywhere. The world doesn't owe you negotiations regardless.

"There's lots of home sellers you can negotiate with"
There's lots of countries, states, counties, and cities you can negotiate with. Big businesses actually do negotiate tax rates with states. Look at Amazon.


Literally every argument made saying that taxation is theft can also be made with regards to shelter, or really any form of property. I don't understand what's so hard about seeing the obvious connection. But oh well, some people just aren't mentally ready to see really obvious things. Can't make a horse drink after all.

Do you think rent is theft?



You can opt out of tax by leaving the country, and opting into a different contract, in exactly the same way you can opt out of rent in an area by moving to a different area.

Of course not.

And do you think paying for services is theft?