What's stopping me from leaving the phone at home??

I lose nothing by this conversation. Either way my money is being stolen from me, and the likelihood I'll ever benefit is extremely low. This conversation is just a way to spend some time.



Nothing. But given the number of people who live on their phones, it's a good bet the average person would not change their habits.

So if you allow the government to track all your movements and who you interact with "to combat covid19 spread" it'll just conveniently never go away.

You'll end up with everyone's phones being yet another tool for their government to use to spy on and control them.

Yeah just pointing out how silly of a measure it is considering I've avoided it by leaving my device on the desk at home. If people really are stupid then it needs to happen and they deserve it.

News flash. The govt. has been spying on us for ages. The good news, is that it's not really to hurt us, it's more to protect us.

Well... I use my phone for GPS. Also insurance through phone, no paper. Like, I take it with me where I go, but leave it in my car. So I dunno.



I can see a lot of concern where things like the "drug war" are concerned. Interact somebody who they're building a case on, suddenly they're trying to build a case on you, that kind of thing.

May seem unlikely, but honestly, why take the risk?

To keep that next middle east terrorist cell from getting a foothold?

"Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither."

Great quote, but fairly unrealistic.

The "freedom" that Franklin was referring to was the freedom of the state to tax.

Far more realistic than you'd think, in this context. Consider this: Due to "privacy concerns" a person is not required to tell you if they have HIV before sleeping with you. In fact, any STD, or any health issue at all, is their personal business. Yet if you contract HIV from a person and don't even know, it could get to full blown AIDS and you never knew you had it. FURTHER, you could have spread it to others without knowing. So in order to insure the privacy and "normalcy" of those who have the virus, we've completely fucked the safety and well being of those they may infect. Now, AIDS is 100% lethal. Nobody who has had AIDS survived or recovered. HIV costs $10K-$30K/year to treat, and has to be treated for the rest of your life. So, to make people feel normal and comfortable, and "protect their privacy" we will allow them to transmit a disease that always ends in thousands in treatment and/or death. But now, we're going to violate EVERYONE'S privacy for a cold? I don't think so.

Minor side-note: A woman can't give consent if drunk these days, because she's not in her right mind. She may not understand what or who she's consenting to. It's considered rape. Yet a person can knowingly spread HIV without properly informing them first, REMOVING their ability to give informed consent, and that's somehow okay. Asked my wife earlier, when referring to this conversation: Would you rather a man raped you (as long as it's not too brutal), or that a man gave you HIV by not bothering to inform you he was infected prior to your agreeing to sex? Her choice was rape.

Now, that being the case, tell me again why my phone should be turned into a tool that is used against me?