Quote (Goomshill @ 27 Feb 2020 02:47)

Not to mention cohort studies showing questionable actual mortality and self-harm outcomes from any kind of transition therapy, and enough sokal experiments and academic scandals to show pretty much anything published in social sciences can be regarded as suspect.
Any credible, ethical doctor should have proof they're doing no harm before they undertake a destructive or risky procedure. But applying that to children who can't consent, in the face of contrary evidence, is simply malpractice.

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 27 Feb 2020 03:27)

You cannot imagine it in the history of France… Frenchmen are much more interested in women; Anglo-Saxon men are not, and this is a problem that needs analysis.’



– Edith Cresson (French Politician)


IMO I'm glad all this crap is an Anglo Saxon issue. Maybe some day your lesbians will grow some balls.

Quote (MxVivianWulf @ 27 Feb 2020 05:03)

Some lesbians have balls already ;)

Quote (MxVivianWulf @ Feb 26 2020 10:18pm)

Yea we do. Most children do in fact. Which is why we don't put most children on puberty blockers. Our diagnostic criteria are pretty decent. Of those who go on puberty blockers very few desist and almost none have regrets. Anti-trans people will cite the number of kids referred to a gender specialist when mentioning these numbers but the vast majority never go on to puberty blockers.

That's why simply supporting a child in exploring their gender identity is the best decision. When puberty hits puberty blockers can be an option if the child experiences distress around the changes it brings. But even they are fully reversible - just stop them and go through puberty slightly later. No adverse effects.

Quote (duffman316 @ Feb 26 2020 08:28pm)

quick google search indicates this is not entirely accurate :o , i think we went over this bit before
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gender-dysphoria/in-depth/pubertal-blockers/art-20459075
What are the possible side effects and complications?
It's important for your child to stay on schedule with all related medical appointments. Contact your child's doctor if any changes cause you or your child concern.

Possible side effects of GnRH analogue treatment include:

Injection site swelling
Weight gain
Hot flashes
Headaches
Use of GnRH analogues might also have long-term effects on:

Bone density
Future fertility
Children will likely have their height checked every three months. Your child's doctor might recommend yearly bone density and bone age tests.

If children with male genitalia begin using GnRH analogues early in puberty, they might not develop enough penile and scrotal skin for certain gender confirmation genital surgical procedures, such as penile inversion vaginoplasty. Alternative techniques, however, are available.

In addition, delaying puberty beyond one's peers can be stressful. Your child might experience lower self-esteem.

also this within 5 minutes of looking up the topic as someone who's not well researched on the stuff
https://www.statnews.com/2017/02/02/lupron-puberty-children-health-problems/
Thousands of parents chose to inject their daughters with the drug, which was approved to shut down puberty in young girls but also is commonly used off-label to help short kids grow taller.

The drug’s pediatric version comes with few warnings about long-term side effects. It is also used in adults to fight prostate cancer or relieve uterine pain and the Food and Drug Administration has warnings on the drug’s adult labels about a variety of side effects.

More than 10,000 adverse event reports filed with the FDA reflect the experiences of women who’ve taken Lupron. The reports describe everything from brittle bones to faulty joints.

In interviews and in online forums, women who took the drug as young girls or initiated a daughter’s treatment described harsh side effects that have been well-documented in adults.

Women who used Lupron a decade or more ago to delay puberty or grow taller described the short-term side effects listed on the pediatric label: pain at the injection site, mood swings, and headaches. Yet they also described conditions that usually affect people much later in life. A 20-year-old from South Carolina was diagnosed with osteopenia, a thinning of the bones, while a 25-year-old from Pennsylvania has osteoporosis and a cracked spine. A 26-year-old in Massachusetts needed a total hip replacement. A 25-year-old in Wisconsin, like Derricott, has chronic pain and degenerative disc disease.

“It just feels like I’m being punished for basically being experimented on when I was a child,” said Derricott, of Lawton, Okla. “I’d hate for a child to be put on Lupron, get to my age and go through the things I have been through.”

In the interviews with women who took Lupron to delay puberty or grow taller, most described depression and anxiety. Several recounted their struggles, or a daughter’s, with suicidal urges. One mother of a Lupron patient described seizures.

Such complaints have recently come under scrutiny at the FDA, which regulates drug safety.

Quote (Handcuffs @ Feb 26 2020 11:39pm)

Ah yes, especially concerning and grave side-effects like "injection site swelling". loooooool

Quote (Helloween7 @ Feb 26 2020 08:50pm)

Duffman's baiting aside. I seem to recall women speaking about their experience(s) as well as some newer studies coming out in the last few years that may indicate that Lupron side effects might be more varied and pronounced.

Quote (duffman316 @ Feb 26 2020 10:28pm)

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Quote (Handcuffs @ Feb 26 2020 10:56pm)

Lupron can and does have side-effects, but this is no different than any other medication. An informed consent model has people weight the benefits and risks just like anything else in this case.