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Jan 30 2020 04:50pm
Quote (RedFromWinter @ Jan 30 2020 08:55am)
This is my observation as well after tracking the conflict for 15 years. In addition to those points, I recall Israel blocking international humanitarian aid caravans and ships. One ship was boarded illegally by Israeli commandos within international waters. Based on that map, I wonder how Palestinians make it to a sea port? Maybe it's not reflected in the southern Palestine territory on that map?


I remember that. Literally an act if piracy.

They assassinated a dude using stolen Australian passports in Dubai or UAE too.

Call a criminal a criminal and you will be accused of blood libel though
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I remember that. Literally an act if piracy.

They assassinated a dude using stolen Australian passports in Dubai or UAE too.

Call a criminal a criminal and you will be accused of blood libel though


My hope is Netanyahu will be replaced and US will gradually reduce levels of financial and military aid to Israeli. I'm not up to speed on the viable alternatives within their election system right now though, so perhaps the replacement effect would be nill. Right now, there is almost no incentive for Israel to bend in negotiating, they have leverage like a master over his dog. Aid reduction would level the playing field, achieve more Israeli sovereignty, and incentivize Israeli to negotiate.

When they illegally seized those aid ships, the commandos murdered 9 people who came at them with 'metal bars and sticks'. Wish my tax $ wasn't subsidizing that kind of evil and hate.

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My hope is Netanyahu will be replaced and US will gradually reduce levels of financial and military aid to Israeli. I'm not up to speed on the viable alternatives within their election system right now though, so perhaps the replacement effect would be nill. Right now, there is almost no incentive for Israel to bend in negotiating, they have leverage like a master over his dog. Aid reduction would level the playing field, achieve more Israeli sovereignty, and incentivize Israeli to negotiate.

When they illegally seized those aid ships, the commandos murdered 9 people who came at them with 'metal bars and sticks'. Wish my tax $ wasn't subsidizing that kind of evil and hate.


The world is a dark and brutal place.
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Jan 31 2020 04:33am
How does the Gaza flotilla has anything to do with the topic ?
Selectively choosing cases that fit your agenda is hardly an evidence of anything. Injustices were made by both sides.

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How does the Gaza flotilla has anything to do with the topic ?
Selectively choosing cases that fit your agenda is hardly an evidence of anything. Injustices were made by both sides.


It is relevant to understanding the context of attempting negotiations, yes selective as this is a forum hence I'm not going to spoon feed you the last 15 years of non-proportional injustices. If I had an agenda, it's ill planned lol. Just hoping this gets some younger folks investigating the conflict more. I have a hard time with 'injustices by both sides' assertion. I agree generally, but it's been very one sided in terms of body count, property, financial, human rights, and disregard for international 'law'. Cyclical injustice however not proportionate.

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Quote (Skinned @ Jan 31 2020 09:50am)
I remember that. Literally an act if piracy.

They assassinated a dude using stolen Australian passports in Dubai or UAE too.

Call a criminal a criminal and you will be accused of blood libel though


We ejected the israeli ambassador, he was directly involved.


Why not just remove israel from the middle east, put it in idaho or utah where nothing of value is already and pay whoever owns the land a few million a pop?

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We ejected the israeli ambassador, he was directly involved.


Why not just remove israel from the middle east, put it in idaho or utah where nothing of value is already and pay whoever owns the land a few million a pop?


Like Asgard in Marvel comics lol. Until Normon Osbourne and the Dark Avengers destroy it in SEIGE.

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Like Asgard in Marvel comics lol. Until Normon Osbourne and the Dark Avengers destroy it in SEIGE.


Yeah, good idea, lets do that too.
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We ejected the israeli ambassador, he was directly involved.


Why not just remove israel from the middle east, put it in idaho or utah where nothing of value is already and pay whoever owns the land a few million a pop?


:rofl:

for those not geting this joke:

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Quote (RedFromWinter @ Jan 31 2020 03:50pm)
It is relevant to understanding the context of attempting negotiations, yes selective as this is a forum hence I'm not going to spoon feed you the last 15 years of non-proportional injustices. If I had an agenda, it's ill planned lol. Just hoping this gets some younger folks investigating the conflict more. I have a hard time with 'injustices by both sides' assertion. I agree generally, but it's been very one sided in terms of body count, property, financial, human rights, and disregard for international 'law'. Cyclical injustice however not proportionate.



And yet here you are claiming for “non proportional injustices” and that if someone go and investigate the conflict he’ll get to the same conclusions as you did.
My point is that it’s not black and white.
For example, the Gaza flotilla existed just to spite Israel for its blockage over Gaza Strip. And if there is a blockage, why go and try to illegally break it ? I mean, you do realize that every day Gaza get humanitarian aid..
note I’m not discussing wether the blockage is justified or not.
Address the matter and leave out the background noises. This plan is nothing new.. it’s already been offered during Rabin’s regime.
IMO it’ll fail coz the Palestinians aren’t interested in having their own country. They are interested in having their own country ON THE EXPENSE of the Israeli one.

/e
One sided body count.. so the Israeli need to be killed to get your approval ?

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