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Jan 3 2020 07:14am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 3 Jan 2020 12:20)
Indeed, this whole thing didnt start with attacks on US airbases. And yes, the U.S. have committed a lot of mistakes.

But let's not forget what Soleimani did to become the target of this airstrike in the first place: he was the public face and the mastermind behind Iran's foreign policy adventures. He was the man in charge when the Hezbollah destabilized Lebanon and launched rockets on Israel. The Quds Forces under his command funneled equipent to the Houthi rebels in Yemen and thus was one of the main factors for the continuation of this war[1]. He was orchestrating the Iranian attempts to seize control of the Iraqi government, his allied militias were the ones who violently knocked down the recent insurgence by ordinary Iraqis with hundreds of casualties, he is believed to have been behind the siege of the US embassy from 2 days ago. His forces were also one of the main actors during the Syrian civil war.




[1] I still believe that the war crimes by the Saudi-led alliance are worse than those of the Houthis, I would assign something like 66% of the moral guilt for the atrocities of the war in Yemen on the Saudis and 33% on the Houthis/their Iranian masterminds.


i love how you describe it as "mistakes" or "sins from 2 decades ago". sure sounds a bit nicer than what it actually is: decades of continuing war crimes (yes, that also includes obama's drone war legacy), originating from a violation of international law, fabricating a casus belli to attack and invade a sovereign country...

and again, soleimani most definitely was a bad guy, and without the consequences that his killing might have, i'd consider it a good thing - but the whole framing of the issue by self-proclaimed "anti-interventionists" of the trump cult is just borderline insane. had your emperor done the exact opposite of this current reality, you people would defend his course with the same fact- and context-denying fervour. your only really 'principled' position is that whatever he decrees is good by definition, and must therefore be defended:

- abandoning the kurds to protect another country's oil fields, because erdogan shouted at him over the phone: good, because 'anti-interventionist'.
- outright war threats over an incident with a multitude of different actors, with different motivations and backgrounds: good, because those 'provocations by iran just can't stand'.

what this ridiculously one-sided framing of this issue (suggesting this is all just america defending itself against unwarranted provocations and attacks by evil iran) completely ignores, is the fact that the recent sabre rattling is only the latest episode of escalating tensions with iran by this administration: unilaterally breaking the nuclear deal / additional severe sanctions / increased drone activity and troop presence near iran's borders / designating the revolutionary guard a 'terrorist organisation' / indiscriminate bombings of organisations close to iran / blaming them for the tanker incident without ANY evidence (tonkin / incubators / wmds come to mind)... the list of actions to isolate and corner iran, to increase public support for, and provoke a military conflict, is long - you'd have to be a fool not to realise what's going on there.
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Jan 3 2020 07:14am
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We would probably shoot down their drones and attack their ships if they were off the coast of Florida without permission :lol:


especially if the Saudi's demanded behind closed doors that we do it so they keep oil prices down and avoid Trump's economy taking a downturn.
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Jan 3 2020 07:15am
Quote (thesnipa @ Jan 3 2020 08:14am)
especially if the Saudi's demanded behind closed doors that we do it so they keep oil prices down and avoid Trump's economy taking a downturn.


Our sovereign is so fucking weak. No wonder every strongman with a state was salivating at the potential of this president to lose influence in the world.

Fucker kowtows to dictators for real while Obama was skewered in the presses for bowing to the fucking Emperor of Japan lol. Trump would ask the Emperor to buy the Philippines and then cancel the meeting when he didn't get the answer he wanted lol.

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Our sovereign is so fucking weak. No wonder every strongman with a state was salivating at the potential of this president to lose influence in the world.


i just thank sweet 7 lb 10 oz baby jesus we have an anti intervention potus and not a warhawk like HRC. she'd be threatening north korea on twitter, breaking peace agreements with Iran, sucking Saudi dick, and bragging about bomb strikes on Fox News. wait a minute....
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Jan 3 2020 07:19am
Quote (thesnipa @ Jan 3 2020 08:17am)
i just thank sweet 7 lb 10 oz baby jesus we have an anti intervention potus and not a warhawk like HRC. she'd be threatening north korea on twitter, breaking peace agreements with Iran, sucking Saudi dick, and bragging about bomb strikes on Fox News. wait a minute....


Give a pansy a gun and he will shoot everything. I wanted to keep Trump away from our military at all costs. Our generals already hate him for undermining them on matters of discipline and justice.
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Jan 3 2020 07:32am
So "And I'm Eric!" seems like he was given the heads up about the strike, posted and then deleted a tweet about opening a can of whoop ass before it happened.

New York Times posted an op'ed about hypersonic missiles with a line in the article stating "What if the former commander of Iran’s Revolutionary Guards, Qassem Soleimani, visits Baghdad for a meeting and you know the address?" before the strike happened. Strange coincidence.
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Jan 3 2020 07:35am
Quote (Arsenic_Touch @ 3 Jan 2020 08:32)
So "And I'm Eric!" seems like he was given the heads up about the strike, posted and then deleted a tweet about opening a can of whoop ass before it happened.

New York Times posted an op'ed about hypersonic missiles with a line in the article stating "What if the former commander of Iran’s Revolutionary Guards, Qassem Soleimani, visits Baghdad for a meeting and you know the address?" before the strike happened. Strange coincidence.


late as usual http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=82416076&f=119&p=553394134

stick to reciting avenged sevenfold lyrics at the top of your lungs wierdo

e: usual suspects hoping for war in this thread. not surprised -_-

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Jan 3 2020 07:38am
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late as usual http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=82416076&f=119&p=553394134

stick to reciting avenged sevenfold lyrics at the top of your lungs wierdo


Oops, didn't see the earlier post. And Avenged Sevenfold? you can do better than that cupcake.
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Jan 3 2020 07:39am
Quote (thesnipa @ 3 Jan 2020 14:04)
you're of course right, all that provocation was far worse than 9-11 and we all love the Afghan war in hindsight. :rolleyes:


The provocations and hostilities are far less severe than 9-11. As is the reaction.
Eliminating the enemy's chief handler of overseas terrorism in a chirugical drone strike is a far less severe reaction than literally invading a foreign country with tens of thousands of troops and overthrowing their government by force, dont you think?

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jan 3 2020 07:39am
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Oops, didn't see the earlier post. And Avenged Sevenfold? you can do better than that cupcake.

yeah yeah we know you can’t read junior boomer, better luck next time
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