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Dec 5 2019 12:27am
Quote (Plaguefear @ Dec 5 2019 01:07am)
Except the corporations are fighting to cut penalty rates and other benefits right this very second..


How does this an any way, shape, or form serve as a valid and adequate rebuttal or response to what has transpired in the last few posts?

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Its not 1902, but they wish it was.
Gina rhinehart has already said australian workers should be more competitive with african workers who work for $3 an hour..
So she can make more profit..
She has been the worlds richest woman about 15 times.


A rich Australian woman has an opinion. One that you presumably don't like even.

Ok? and?

Now the 80 hour work week will come back, living conditions will regress to that of 100 years ago, and the productivity gains and innovations will disappear?
Now government hampering the economy is good and economic freedom is bad?
I'm not buying it.

Its entirely possible, plausible and reasonable that certain Australian jobs and labor costs are not permanently competitive in the global market of particular industries and that they will have to adapt and reduce labor costs.
Recognizing some Africans are willing to work for less is not evil or mean someone has no morals or empathy.

Her statements and observations of fact are existing in a non-free market btw.
In many countries the government has artificially inflated labor costs to the detriment of workers and employers alike, and potential workers who will be without a job or have to take a worse one.

You have some pie in the sky dream that government can save you from economic realities and everything is always feel good tropes and high wages vs evil rich people.


Carrying on about this woman and her facts/opinions you dont like does nothing to support your previous absurd claims about history, free markets and economic freedom.
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Dec 5 2019 12:35am
Quote (cambovenzi @ Dec 5 2019 05:27pm)
How does this an any way, shape, or form serve as a valid and adequate rebuttal or response to what has transpired in the last few posts?



A rich Australian woman has an opinion. One that you presumably don't like even.

Ok? and?

Now the 80 hour work week will come back, living conditions will regress to that of 100 years ago, and the productivity gains and innovations will disappear?
Now government hampering the economy is good and economic freedom is bad?
I'm not buying it.

Its entirely possible, plausible and reasonable that certain Australian jobs and labor costs are not permanently competitive in the global market of particular industries and that they will have to adapt and reduce labor costs.
Recognizing some Africans are willing to work for less is not evil or mean someone has no morals or empathy.

Her statements and observations of fact are existing in a non-free market btw.
In many countries the government has artificially inflated labor costs to the detriment of workers and employers alike, and potential workers who will be without a job or have to take a worse one.

You have some pie in the sky dream that government can save you from economic realities and everything is always feel good tropes and high wages vs evil rich people.


Carrying on about this woman and her facts/opinions you dont like does nothing to support your previous absurd claims about history, free markets and economic freedom.


Now re read what you just posted a few times and realise why no one wants to get on board with the free market nonsense.
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Dec 5 2019 12:40am
Quote (Plaguefear @ Dec 5 2019 01:35am)
Now re read what you just posted a few times and realise why no one wants to get on board with the free market nonsense.


You should reread what we both have said here and think about whether your posts were logical, relevant and historically accurate.
You should also stop and consider what I actually said, instead of rushing to demonize some rich lady and making wild unsupported claims about economic freedom as a sad excuse for a response to your claims being challenged and refuted.

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Dec 5 2019 12:41am
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Dec 5 2019 12:49am
Quote (cambovenzi @ Dec 5 2019 05:40pm)
You should reread what we both have said here and think about whether your posts were logical, relevant and historically accurate.
You should also stop and consider what I actually said, instead of rushing to demonize some rich lady and making wild unsupported claims about economic freedom as a sad excuse for a response to your claims being challenged and refuted.


Nothing was challenged or refuted?
You basically said "Yeah they will do it, so what?"
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Dec 5 2019 01:15am
Quote (Plaguefear @ Dec 5 2019 01:49am)
Nothing was challenged or refuted?
You basically said "Yeah they will do it, so what?"


reality denier

waste of my time
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Dec 5 2019 01:20am
Can anyone other than cam explain to me what he is trying to say?
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Dec 5 2019 03:25am
Quote (Plaguefear @ 5 Dec 2019 08:20)
Can anyone other than cam explain to me what he is trying to say?


He's trying to say he loves castes systems where slaves are workers with brain implants.

Say "climate change!" 7 times in front of a mirror to make him vanish.
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Dec 5 2019 04:45am
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Dec 5 2019 01:25am)
He's trying to say he loves castes systems where slaves are workers with brain implants.

Say "climate change!" 7 times in front of a mirror to make him vanish.


lol
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Dec 5 2019 05:33am
Quote (cambovenzi @ Dec 5 2019 12:46am)
You should read some economics books and better history books instead of total nonsense and fearmongering.

The government hampering the market and banning low wages is not what causes a reduction in the number of hours necessary to provide a certain standard of living. It was capitalism and economic freedom that drove innovation and wealth creation and distributed affordable and abundant goods and services to the masses.
You choose to instead place all economic success at the feet of bad government policies and pretend freer markets would cause 80 hour work weeks and starvation being the norm, based on absolutely nothing.


Lol Cam revisionist.

I love when you pretend that the Pinkertons weren't a thing.

You call us liars for citing history.

You have so much faith in robber batons.

You will argue against raising the minimum wage right now says for the benefit of the workers unironically, Even though it would lead to more money and families.

You just don't care about other people. It's okay just own your ethic.


Quote (Plaguefear @ Dec 5 2019 01:49am)
Nothing was challenged or refuted?
You basically said "Yeah they will do it, so what?"


You're arguing with Russiabank, he will word vomit ideological talking points with no evidence, tell us history is wrong and that we are liars, then crawl under a rock when challenged in any meaningful way.

He will take his own lack of insight as him literally never losing an argument. He actually thinks he has never lost an argument or has had a point made against his beliefs that he holds as pure objective reality. There are no other valid viewpoints to him and his viewpoints aren't contingent on time and space they are universal truths.

I can't count The Times I've tried to be friendly with him and hes personally insulted me by calling me a liar for just disagreeing about something.

This post was edited by Skinned on Dec 5 2019 05:40am
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Quote (Skinned @ Dec 5 2019 10:33pm)
Lol Cam revisionist.

I love when you pretend that the Pinkertons weren't a thing.

You call us liars for citing history.

You have so much faith in robber batons.


The thing that libertarians try to hide is that the corporations are still robber barons, they just only do whatever they can get away with without hurting share value or getting fined/sued for more than they were able to make.
If all regulation was removed they would do whatever they could get away with, a race to the bottom on wages would begin immediately on anything that required anything less than a masters degree.
Weekend and holiday rates would cease to exist overnight.
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