So mad, RAWR

lol that user is a multi-millionaire who got rich while working for an oil cartel corporation

funny him whining about other rich people being evil

Ok, so show me a social democracy with a lower standard of living than the states?

No economic system exists in a pure fashion either. Socialist concepts have been historically and progressively woven into capitalism, and this trend is likely to continue, much to the perceived collective benefit of us all by those of us on the left.

Been spending time in communist subreddits and i must admit it has its appeal but ig also reminds me of that time someone who conned a friend of a friend into a pyramid scheme tried to sell me on something that was clearly too good to be true.

Portugal. Ecuador. Probably several other Latin American countries would also qualify as social democracy. Depending on how exactly "standard of living" is defined, places like Belgium and Finland would also count.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Nov 2 2019 11:41am

How is it too good to be true?

What im finding is that the communists do not see much beyond physical labour as valuable and they don't see the value in the coordination of resources to produce a product and bring it to market which requires skills which are rare compared to say the ability to use a hammer to put a nail into a piece of wood.

They think workers who lack imagination, creativity and capabilities will spur innovation the way someone who owns and drives a business can.

I don't see how the things they're trying to sell in terms of quality of life for workers cant be accomplished in an economy thats a mix of capitalism and socialism.

This post was edited by duffman316 on Nov 2 2019 12:31pm

Ecuador is a constitutional republic, Belgium and Finland rank above America.

Fair enough thank you for a more thorough answer.

The first point seems to be more about logistics and organizing groups of people than ideology. I get what you are saying, but it might appear like this to us because we only have experienced how it is in a capitalistic society.

It is usually a pro-capitalism idea that businesses spur innovation and technology but I think that is partially because that is how we perceive it living in capitalism itself.

I personally consider inventions and innovations something that is either a necessity or something that can happen for the simple reason that people create things to improve life in general. To that end, if people had more free time and were not bogged down by two jobs for instance, they would have more time to pursue these sorts of activities.

With the era of automation already here, I agree with your last point that QoL will be better off in a capitalism/socialism mix society for now if necessary steps are taken to ensure those who are forced out of the job market to be reimbursed in some way.