Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 19 2019 12:12am)
The mgtow movement, while prone to be mocked, touches a valid issue: some men are not made for relationships/marriage/dating. Some are just really solitary guys who thrive on their hobbies and leisure time and dont get too much out of someone else's company. Others have such horrible fundamentals that success in the dating world would be an insanely tilted upward struggle all the way through.
In any case, the input/output ratio of effort put into relationships and dating, as well as the risk/reward ratio, are not identical for everyone. And for some men, the rational choice for their long-term happiness is to give up on women and focus on other areas of their lives. This group of men surely is substantially smaller than those who claim to follow mgtow, but the ridicule for the pretenders shouldnt detract from the fact that a date-less lifestyle really is the best choice for some select few.
In general, a situation where "dating barely, if at all, breaks even in terms of happiness" is a phenomenom which isnt limited to men, but men in such a situation tend to face larger internal tensions. First, because society judges men by their success with women to a larger degree than women are judged by theirs. Second, because a mgtow-lifestyle more likely than not means being without sex (not practicing one's game, not taking care of one's looks, not spending time in places where one can meet women), while "women going their own way" have a much easier time finding some random stranger for uncommitted sex if they want to.
this is probably true for the "incel" group too, but mgtow is supposed to be more of a realization for these guys that "I don't need to have a woman" and perhaps just don't want to deal with that "baggage" if they just want to be by themselves. Baggage doesn't have to be bitter, it can mean stuff like sharing living space for example. MGTOW should be different because these must already be people who have had relationships at some point.
That being said I agree that most MGTOW people are probably just angry or whatever (and might have valid reasons) and its likely for these people it will just be a phase. Most actual MGTOW people probably do not know about this group nor find it interesting to be part of any group and probably no one will know they are one except for their close friends/families.
Btw I can't really tell if you are making the claim that men who don't want to participate in dating or are in a relationship, more likely than not means that they aren't taking care of their look I think thats a bit unfair
This post was edited by GodSmiter on Jun 19 2019 01:10am