Quote (thesnipa @ 25 Oct 2016 11:41)

while i agree with this i'd hope you aren't foolish enough to think we could make an omelet without cracking the eggs. Sure its only a small step that cost perhaps more than its worth, usually the first step is riddled with problems. And the companies retain a high profit, shocker that they wouldn't accept their industry crumbling over night. And given the challenges HRC's stance should be seen as a politically expedient one IMO, not her personal stance whatever the hell that is. In short, its shitty because it has to be shitty. A perfect system out of the gates was never possible.

Quote (ThatAlex @ 25 Oct 2016 12:31)

The ACA is fool's gold. It's a political talking point that Obama and Democrats can pat themselves on the back about and say they gave millions of previously uninsured Americans health insurance, when in actuality its driven up costs, made our health care system even more bureaucratic, and hasn't actually improved health care outcomes for poor Americans all that much.

The health care issue is a complicated issue, but the ACA was riddled with crony problems from the start, including guarenteeing health insurance companies massive profits. And interestingly enough, the ACA is now acting as an impediment to the passage of a universal health care system, which is obviously the ideal health care system when you examine other wealthy democracies that employ those systems with lower costs and better health care outcomes

We will have another establishment Democratic president opposed to such a system, so it looks like we will have to drown in our own beureaucratic mess of rising costs and health insurance industry cronyism for at least another 4-8 years before we can begin really trying to solve this issue. But it's just such a complicated mess right now.

Quote (ThatAlex @ Oct 25 2016 10:56am)

Philosophically, I agree that it was a good first step in that I think everyone has a right to health care.

However, I don't think we will be able to put together a good health care plan for the people until we can figure out how to decrease the influence of the health insurance and pharmaceutical industrys' lobbying in health care policy.

I think it's incorrect to say we had to have a shitty system out of the gates, unless you are factoring in the current state of American lobbyism and corporate interests dictating public policy, in which I'd agree with you. There are underlying issues regarding how policy is formed in Washington that we need to address first.

Quote (Master_Zappy @ Oct 21 2016 07:55pm)

Here's a data point for you on Obamacare. Prior to the ACA I could not afford insurance and have no coverage. Since Obama passed this plan, I still have no healthcare since it's still hugely expensive , however I now have the privilege of losing hundreds of dollars per year as a penalty because I still cant afford this shitty (non)coverage. Thanks obama.

Quote (CarsV @ 3 Nov 2016 16:09)

I just got notified by my insurance company that starting next year my plan will be increasing from $147 to $253 a month, and I live in one of the bluest states in the US, Maryland. It's not even the bestest of plans either, it's $6.550.

Yay for Obamacare... Time to start shopping for a new plan, I guess.

Quote (excellence @ Nov 3 2016 08:20pm)

OP thanks you for your addtional contribution so that his plan can be much cheaper next year.

Well he probably wont actually thank you but you get the gist of it.

Quote (CarsV @ 3 Nov 2016 16:43)

Here's what's even more insane. Two years ago my plan was a little over $100/mo, like $110$. Then it bumped up to $147 for last year. Now it's going up to $253 a month.

Let that sink in for a moment. That's over 100% increase in 2, TWO years.

To the rest of you who are fanboying this shit, fuck you guys. Some people seem to think money grows on trees.

Quote (fuzzy159 @ Nov 3 2016 09:23pm)

My insurance through work has gone up a shit ton.

Makes me want to cry because I never use it. Idk why I bother getting it... Besides the fine obviously. I should just pay the fine and stop getting it