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#61
Sep 4 2015 01:49pm
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Migrations have of course occured but they have been minor. Even this latest largest migration is alot smaller in scope than many may think. This year Europes population swelled .068% as a result of muslim immigrants, hardly a burden on the continent if it was managed better. I suppose i cant discount your theory that their goal is to spread Islam, but i dont buy it. Most of Europe is a better place to live than most of the Middle east, this is all the motivation most people need for the migration. How many shitty countries are there, muslim or not, where the people living there attempt to leave. Its been happening in subsaharan africa and central america for decades.


but african migrants don't raise his terror alert....he's a perfect example of islamophobia
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Sep 4 2015 01:50pm
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Migrations have of course occured but they have been minor. Even this latest largest migration is alot smaller in scope than many may think. This year Europes population swelled .068% as a result of muslim immigrants, hardly a burden on the continent if it was managed better. I suppose i cant discount your theory that their goal is to spread Islam, but i dont buy it. Most of Europe is a better place to live than most of the Middle east, this is all the motivation most people need for the migration. How many shitty countries are there, muslim or not, where the people living there attempt to leave. Its been happening in subsaharan africa and central america for decades.


Saudi Arabia is actively spreading Islam far more, but because they have oil and aren't dirt poor the US likes to be allies with them.
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Sep 4 2015 01:51pm
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but african migrants don't raise his terror alert....he's a perfect example of islamophobia


Many subsaharan african migrants are Muslim. Thats one of the places they were beaten back to in the reconquista.
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Sep 4 2015 01:52pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 4 2015 03:38pm)
Migrations have of course occured but they have been minor. Even this latest largest migration is alot smaller in scope than many may think. This year Europes population swelled .068% as a result of muslim immigrants, hardly a burden on the continent if it was managed better. I suppose i cant discount your theory that their goal is to spread Islam, but i dont buy it. Most of Europe is a better place to live than most of the Middle east, this is all the motivation most people need for the migration. How many shitty countries are there, muslim or not, where the people living there attempt to leave. Its been happening in subsaharan africa and central america for decades.


...you have to understand the basic teachings of Islam...world domination is a fundamental one , the complete conversion of the planet under the Islamic flag .
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Sep 4 2015 01:58pm
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...you have to understand the basic teachings of Islam...world domination is a fundamental one , the complete conversion of the planet under the Islamic flag .


The same argument can be made for Christianity among certain denominations, and as far as i have encountered every Christian denomination values spreading the word of god in one facet or another. Yet some hold this goal as much more important than others. I dont see the reason to suggest all Muslims wish to see the world under one flag, i just dont buy that that is a fundamental goal of all Muslims. Im sure there are some but i would guess thats a tertiary goal of most modern Muslims and very low priority to most illegal immigrants, far behind their own wellbeing.
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Sep 4 2015 02:02pm
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The same argument can be made for Christianity among certain denominations, and as far as i have encountered every Christian denomination values spreading the word of god in one facet or another. Yet some hold this goal as much more important than others. I dont see the reason to suggest all Muslims wish to see the world under one flag, i just dont buy that that is a fundamental goal of all Muslims. Im sure there are some but i would guess thats a tertiary goal of most modern Muslims and very low priority to most illegal immigrants, far behind their own wellbeing.


...not even close to the same thing . Islam seeks to establish a global Islamic government under total sharia law . When the shit finally hits the fan the Muslims the world sees as the peaceful side of the religion will side with the jihadists .
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Sep 4 2015 02:03pm
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...not even close to the same thing . Islam seeks to establish a global Islamic government under total sharia law . When the shit finally hits the fan the Muslims the world sees as the peaceful side of the religion will side with the jihadists .


I disagree, luckily the apocalypse that would force such a decision is IMO a long ways off.
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#68
Sep 4 2015 02:11pm
Is it so horrific to want to administrate our nations in a way that helps our established residents and strengthens our nation and culture.

Just because atrocities occur all over the world, why must our nations sacrifice? Why does every situation of political unrest in the world have to incur a monetary, political, social and cultural cost on Western countries?

You'd think they would have learned their lesson after the mass protests, death threats and literal mass shootings and terror in the streets over a cartoon depiction of the Prophet (peace be upon him, please don't jihad me). And we wonder why things like white nationalism are on the rise.
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#69
Sep 4 2015 02:43pm
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Sep 4 2015 04:02pm)
...not even close to the same thing . Islam seeks to establish a global Islamic government under total sharia law . When the shit finally hits the fan the Muslims the world sees as the peaceful side of the religion will side with the jihadists .


It's exactly the same thing...you want to see the world governed under the rule of your god....and they want to see the world governed under the rule of their god.

the core difference is you don't believe in their laws and they don't believe in yours and the vast majority of people in north america think your rules are less repressive. ( myself included )

We are far better off without either

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Sep 4 2015 05:37pm
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Sep 4 2015 07:29pm)
...it's a secondary motivation . The main motivation is to establish Muslim enclaves in the West .

is it like judeo-bolshevism?
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Sep 4 2015 11:02pm)
Islam seeks to establish a global Islamic government under total sharia law

just for the sake of ridiculousness i'll grant your premise, but now i'll ask two questions that your premises create.
why did they have various systems of courts in he caliphates?
why do German Muslims mostly consider democracy to be the west way to govern and gay marriage to be acceptable?

This post was edited by Gastly on Sep 4 2015 05:38pm
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