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Aug 10 2015 03:13pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Aug 10 2015 12:22pm)
to be fair when you put two mexican women side by side they do kinda look like a big black man


If you live in California, sometimes one big Mexican woman is more intimidating than a big black man.
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citation needed


A quick Google on my lunch showed it's closer to 1cop for every 5 deaths. But I didn't get into how many of the 5 are unarmedbor innocent.
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Plain clothes detective pull people over all the time in transit to active investigations, thats not inherently fishy. It would be a mockery of their duty as officer to not pull over law breakers simply because they are in a seperate department.

I cant speak to the actual facts of this case however it does look pretty bad. Im not even sure if you can think up a hypothetical to explain the event in a better light.


There is no evidence that undercover cars are effective at curbing speeding violations. The only purpose an unmarked car has pulling people over is to commit highway robbery raise revenues. Some states have outlawed unmarked cars for that very reason. Also because it's possibly unsafe for travelers.

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citation needed


http://www.odmp.org/search/year

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/another-much-higher-count-of-police-homicides/

Citations given.

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Quote (Santara @ Aug 10 2015 03:34pm)
There is no evidence that undercover cars are effective at curbing speeding violations. The only purpose an unmarked car has pulling people over is to commit highway robbery raise revenues. Some states have outlawed unmarked cars for that very reason. Also because it's possibly unsafe for travelers.


Nor would i suggest they are effective at this at all. This officer however wasnt in an unmarked car to be sneaky (i dont think) he's simply a detective, which almost all drive unmarked cars.

We can argue till we're blue in the face about the merit of ticketing a victimless crime like speeding all day, but i feel that the merit of an undercover/detective isnt much different than a regular cop if your perspective is that speeding shouldnt be illegal in the first place (as i am guessing you believe).

TBH there isnt much evidence that cops in general are good at curbing speeding in any area other than their line of sight. The signs that tell you your speed, lower speed limits, signs on corners giving suggestions of the speed you should take them at, etc all suck at stopping people from speeding.

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But u posted its 100 to 1. That would mean 10 cops got killed last year. I believe u meant 10:1.

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Quote (thesnipa @ Aug 10 2015 04:40pm)
Nor would i suggest they are effective at this at all. This officer however wasnt in an unmarked car to be sneaky (i dont think) he's simply a detective, which almost all drive unmarked cars.

We can argue till we're blue in the face about the merit of ticketing a victimless crime like speeding all day, but i feel that the merit of an undercover/detective isnt much different than a regular cop if your perspective is that speeding shouldnt be illegal in the first place (as i am guessing you believe).

TBH there isnt much evidence that cops in general are good at curbing speeding in any area other than their line of sight. The signs that tell you your speed, lower speed limits, signs on corners giving suggestions of the speed you should take them at, etc all suck at stopping people from speeding.



But u posted its 100 to 1. That would mean 10 cops got killed last year. I believe u meant 10:1.


No, I do not mean 10:1. The bold are the only ones which are conceivably due to direct cause by the criminal.

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Line of Duty Deaths: 71
9/11 related illness: 3
Accidental: 2
Assault: 3
Automobile accident: 17
Fall: 1
Gunfire: 19
Gunfire (Accidental): 2
Heart attack: 11
Motorcycle accident: 2
Struck by vehicle: 4
Vehicle pursuit: 4
Vehicular assault: 3


...so 25 cops killed by criminals this year, which is 2/3 done, so let's say the rate will amount to 40ish over the year. Now contrast that with the rough 1100 people killed by police a year. Sure, it isn't 100:1, but 27:1 isn't a pretty stat.
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No, I do not mean 10:1. The bold are the only ones which are conceivably due to direct cause by the criminal.



...so 25 cops killed by criminals this year, which is 2/3 done, so let's say the rate will amount to 40ish over the year. Now contrast that with the rough 1100 people killed by police a year. Sure, it isn't 100:1, but 27:1 isn't a pretty stat.


Do you have stats on those 1100 deaths? Or are you just assuming everyone that gets shot by police is a shining pillar of society?
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Quote (Santara @ Aug 10 2015 04:04pm)
No, I do not mean 10:1. The bold are the only ones which are conceivably due to direct cause by the criminal.



...so 25 cops killed by criminals this year, which is 2/3 done, so let's say the rate will amount to 40ish over the year. Now contrast that with the rough 1100 people killed by police a year. Sure, it isn't 100:1, but 27:1 isn't a pretty stat.


The official #s ive seen on cops killed in duty show 114 for 2014. From a police organization, i might not trust their numbers on much but # of cops killed is something i think they report pretty reliably.

Its still dreadfully close to 10:1 IMO.
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Aug 10 2015 04:11pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Aug 10 2015 06:10pm)
The official #s ive seen on cops killed in duty show 114 for 2014. From a police organization, i might not trust their numbers on much but # of cops killed is something i think they report pretty reliably.

Its still dreadfully close to 10:1 IMO.


Killed while on duty and killed by criminals are two VERY different thigs.
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Do you have stats on those 1100 deaths? Or are you just assuming everyone that gets shot by police is a shining pillar of society?


It's linked in the 538 post.
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Quote (Santara @ Aug 10 2015 06:13pm)
It's linked in the 538 post.


Ahhh. At work.. cant click links... something something
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Quote (thesnipa @ Aug 10 2015 05:10pm)
The official #s ive seen on cops killed in duty show 114 for 2014. From a police organization, i might not trust their numbers on much but # of cops killed is something i think they report pretty reliably.

Its still dreadfully close to 10:1 IMO.


The website I linked shows cops who died on duty, which a subset thereof would be "cops killed by criminals."

It's nearly 3x as bad as 10:1.
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