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Jul 31 2015 05:15pm
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ 31 Jul 2015 18:12)
...it is my opinion that you carry a great deal of anger against God and Christianity . The why is your business but over the past week it has been more than obvious .


Well, your opinion is not correct. I have great respect for devout Christians who are well-read about the Bible and their faith.

Answer the three questions please, Widow. You know more about the Bible than most of us here, right?
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Jul 31 2015 05:17pm
Quote (Valhalls_Sun @ 31 Jul 2015 23:11)
You stuck your nose into a statement about Matthew trying to prove me wrong with a passage from Luke
You should stick to one multi at a time this jumping around is throwing you off of your game


wtf are you talking about?

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...save your silly bullshit for someone who doesn't know the way you operate . :zzz:


'The way I operate'? Fuck does that even mean?

You're talking shit now Widow. Like you always do when backed into a corner. You made some accusations, got challenged on them so now you're doubling down and making more. As if excessive ad hominem will somehow make you less in the wrong. Just throw enough mud and hope some of it sticks eh?

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Jul 31 2015 05:33pm
Quote (Scaly @ 31 Jul 2015 18:17)
wtf are you talking about?



'The way I operate'? Fuck does that even mean?

You're talking shit now Widow. Like you always do when backed into a corner. You made some accusations, got challenged on them so now you're doubling down and making more. As if excessive ad hominem will somehow make you less in the wrong.



why so confused all of a sudden when you usually have all the answers?

You pronounced my answers unacceptable to the questions I just wonder why you think that you make any kind of judge, and you did fuck up the one answer that you tried to correct. so don't play all wtf m8 all of a sudden,
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Jul 31 2015 05:34pm
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why so confused all of a sudden when you usually have all the answers?

You pronounced my answers unacceptable to the questions I just wonder why you think that you make any kind of judge, and you did fuck up the one answer that you tried to correct. so don't play all wtf m8 all of a sudden,


I'm rlly not sure why you're flying off the handle here...

matthew says the door was closed. You asked where he said it and I showed you. What's the issue?
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Jul 31 2015 05:49pm
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I'm rlly not sure why you're flying off the handle here...

matthew says the door was closed. You asked where he said it and I showed you. What's the issue?



Look at my post #44 and your post 45 you correct me when I'm right. According to Matthew the tomb was closed when the two Marys arrived, then an earthquake rolled the stone open and and angel appeared
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Jul 31 2015 05:52pm
Someone let me know when widow and iceman are done frantically reading their bibles for answers to these questions...

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When?

I see no reasonable answer so far. The only answer given that is remotely acceptable is that they recorded events from different vantage points... and yet that doesn't explain away the discrepancies. It doesn't matter what angle you're viewing Christ from as he dies on the cross - what he says immediately before dying doesn't change depending on where you view him from.


And when you make pronouncements like this after I have answered Alex, is rather a bitchy little dig don't you think
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Quote (Valhalls_Sun @ 31 Jul 2015 23:49)
Look at my post #44 and your post 45 you correct me when I'm right. According to Matthew the tomb was closed when the two Marys arrived, then an earthquake rolled the stone open and and angel appeared


Yety you say the tomb was open when he arrived even though he describes it being opened. For which it had to be closed. You can't open it if it's already open.

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And when you make pronouncements like this after I have answered Alex, is rather a bitchy little dig don't you think


Stop taking offense ffs.

Nothing I've said has been derogatory towards you. Why you gettin so upset?

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I have some questions for the Christians that frequent this board.

1) How many women came to the tomb? One (John)? Two (Matthew)? Three (Mark)? More (Luke)?

2) What were the last words of Jesus? Three gospels have three different accounts of his last words.

3) Was the tomb already open when they got there (Matthew indicates the tomb was open, the other three claim it was closed)?

Those are my three questions concerning the resurrection story, which is arguably the Bible's most important story because one of the central themes of Christianity is Jesus' crucifixion (died for sins) and subsequent resurrection.

Potential follow up questions only for those who answer questions 1 through 3 in numbered format: Do you acknowledge these accounts in the gospel as contradictions? If not, how? Do you believe the Bible was divinely inspired by God? If you do acknowledge the gospel accounts contain contradictions, do you still believe the Bible was divinely inspired by God?


1) This really isn't a problem. Certain writers chose to be more descriptive with the number of women who were present. This wasn't a hugely important point. The difference in secondary details can be resolved... John didn't say only Mary Magadalene. You have to realize what the gospel writers were trying to convey, which is the story of Christ, not the minute details of how many women were present when the son of God visited them.

2) I think this is another case of misguided expectations. You are expecting a movie scene where Jesus says something and rises into the clouds. It's pretty obvious that Jesus told the disciples many things before He ascended, and each disciple chose to share what they felt the gospel needed.

3) Did you actually read the scripture you linked? All 4 scriptures report the tomb being opened. Again, you have to read these accounts with a realistic perspective. It's not a news story. It's a 2,000 year old gospel of certain people reporting the events as they saw fit. It's not abundantly clear on the minute details.

From a historicity standpoint, the secondary details are somewhat irrelevant. All of these gospel accounts maintain the same story with minute differences in some of the details. The fact that these independent accounts differ in this way actually makes the gospels more credible.

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I certainly do not view them as contradictions. I view them as differences which are resolved using a realistic mindset. Those accounts are relatively short, considering what is going on(the whole son of God being missing from the tomb and ascending to heaven). It's absolute silliness, with knowledge of how the gospels were written, to expect these writers to be consistent in these secondary details.

If you believe the Bible wasn't divinely inspired by God you are not a Christian.

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1) This really isn't a problem. Certain writers chose to be more descriptive with the number of women who were present. This wasn't a hugely important point. The difference in secondary details can be resolved... John didn't say only Mary Magadalene. You have to realize what the gospel writers were trying to convey, which is the story of Christ, not the minute details of how many women were present when the son of God visited them.

2) I think this is another case of misguided expectations. You are expecting a movie scene where Jesus says something and rises into the clouds. It's pretty obvious that Jesus told the disciples many things before He ascended, and each disciple chose to share what they felt the gospel needed.

3) Did you actually read the scripture you linked? All 4 scriptures report the tomb being opened. Again, you have to read these accounts with a realistic perspective. It's not a news story. It's a 2,000 year old gospel of certain people reporting the events as they saw fit. It's not abundantly clear on the minute details.

From a historicity standpoint, the secondary details are somewhat irrelevant. All of these gospel accounts maintain the same story with minute differences in some of the details. The fact that these independent accounts differ in this way actually makes the gospels more credible.

Follow ups:

I certainly do not view them as contradictions. I view them as differences which are resolved using a realistic mindset. Those accounts are relatively short, considering what is going on(the whole son of God being missing from the tomb and ascending to heaven). It's absolute silliness, with knowledge of how the gospels were written, to expect these writers to be consistent in these secondary details.

If you believe the Bible wasn't divinely inspired by God you are not a Christian.


Divine inspiration doesn't have to be accurate then? So how can you trust the word of any prophet?
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