Go back and watch obamas first campaign run Jay. He promised to bring our troops home blah blah blah. Took years to do it but you know damn well it's failed foreign policy on the democratic administration. Keep sticking up for the people who put us way in the hole on our national debt. I'm not saying bush administration didn't add to that but he did what had to be done which is war. Like a real president he engaged the American people, serves troops supper, talks to families. Obama can't even look a serviceman in the eyes while saluting him. You're a joke Jay with your liberal left views. If we only had a whole country who thought like you every fucking city would be just like Detroit. Ya that's right Jay since your democratic party is so in tune with our domestic policies show me some successfully democratic ran cities that aren't fiscally in the hole.

Once again:


This is the end of the line for this silly "the problem was that we left too early, victory was assured, it's all Obama's fault!!!11one" line of criticism. Iraq is not the failure of the guy who was elected to clean up a mess that his predecessor could never get a handle on, period. It isn't his job to just magically wave a wand and break the SoFA, somehow overrule Iraqi Parliament, and illegally occupy the country indefinitely simply because his predecessor invaded a country on false pretenses and never had a real plan. Iraq was apparently doomed to be a mess the minute that George W. Bush was elected, given the actions of his NSC months before the 9/11 attacks.

Bush "did what had to be done?" That's literally the exact opposite of the case regarding Iraq. You are comically uninformed. To be completely honest, people like you are the exact reason I come to this forum. It's hysterical to me that someone who knows so little about the subject matter would not only lack the self-awareness to recognize that it's in their best interest to read and not speak, but also be so delusional that they think it's a good idea to challenge the understanding of views of others. That's a courageous choice.

Are you actually denying that every single charge was disproven? A complaint is a complaint. You yourself have complaints; they mean absolutely nothing in isolation. There's never been a shred of evidence to substantiate the hysterical claims made by people regarding the IRS' response to the SCOTUS decision. In fact, all of the evidence that has been presented actually refutes those claims.

Though not to drift any farther from the real subject at hand of the primaries. The coverage of what happened at the IRS is why Clinton was wise to volunteer the server, even though her rivals who have committed the same acts did not do the same: networks whipped themselves up into a frenzy due to deceptive leaks, but once the facts came out they never once issued retractions or clarifications of earlier coverage but instead just moved on to the next nontroversy.

Nothing is gained by leaving the media to its own devices now due to how poor the quality of political journalism has become.

Democrats huddled last night in Iowa for the famous "Wing Ding Dinner," and it's almost a unanimous consensus that Clinton won the night: http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/08/14/in-iowa-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-woo-democrats-at-the-wing-ding-dinner/?_r=0

Clinton also rolled out the most coveted endorsement in the whole state, that of former Senator Tom Harkin. Both her and Sanders received deafening applause from the over-packed venue, while a lot of attendees bolted for the exits when it came time for O'Malley to take his turn onstage. This is still looking a like a two-person show for the Democrats in Iowa with Clinton way out in front.

Try reading the complaint. All the facts are laid bare therein.

Clinton rendered a wiped clean server.

Um... complaints don't establish facts. They might claim them, but it's investigations that establish them. We've had more than enough regarding the IRS: Were conservative groups singled out for their politics? No. Progressive groups and non-ideological groups received the same scrutiny that some conservative groups got, and unlike conservative groups there were actually progressive groups (mainly belonging to the "Emerge" network) that actually had their status request denied. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/25/us/politics/documents-show-liberals-in-irs-dragnet.html and http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/05/us/politics/irs-scrutiny-went-beyond-the-political.html

Did conservative groups face delays that other groups didn't have to deal with? No. http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_IRS_POLITICAL_GROUPS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Was the White House involved? No. No evidence of that whatsoever. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/05/14/the-irs-report-insubordination-and-incompetence-but-not-much-of-a-conspiracy/

Was there any accountability from the media for blowing the story over and over again? Nope. http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/06/obama-scandals-used-to-be-a-thing.html

That said, it's a thread about the primaries. If I used it to crush every delusion that you cling to then the thread would never be about anything else.

Should we forget these "friends" of the Clintons?

1. James McDougal - Convicted Whitewater partner of the Clintons who died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.

2.- Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown (Washington, D. C.). The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment by Clinton in the White House.

3. Vince Foster - Former White House Councilor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock's Rose Law Firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide. (He was about to testify against Hillary related to the records she refused to turn over to congress.) Was reported to have been having an affair with Hillary.

4. Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. The rest of the people on the plane also died. A few days later the Air Traffic controller committed suicide.

5. C. Victor Raiser, II - Raiser, a major player in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.

6..Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock on September 1992. Described by Clinton as a "dear friend and trusted advisor".

7. Ed Willey - Clinton fundraiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day His wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.

8. Jerry Parks - Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock ... Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.

9. James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people which contained names of influential people who visited Prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas

10. - James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to the Clintons' Whitewater deals.

11. - Kathy Ferguson - Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones Lawsuit, and Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.

12. - Bill Shelton - Arkansas State Trooper and fiancée of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancée, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancée.

13. - Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton's friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client, Dan Lassater, was a convicted drug distributor.

14. Florence Martin - Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal, Mena, Arkansas Airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot Wounds.

15. Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died Of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a Suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.

16. Paula Grober - Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9,1992. She died in a one car accident.

17. Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter who was Investigating the Mean Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation.

18. Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Mean Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993, in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death. (May have died of poison)

19. Jon Parnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony August 15,1993. He was investigating the Morgan Guaranty scandal.

20. Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised, nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.

21. Charles Meissner - Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.

22. Dr. Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton 's advisory council personally treated Clinton's mother, stepfather and Brother.

23. Barry Seal - Drug running TWA pilot out of Mean Arkansas, death was no accident.

24. Johnny Lawhorn, Jr. - Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole.

25. Stanley Huggins - Investigated Madison Guaranty. His death was a purported suicide and his report was never released.

26. Hershel Friday - Attorney and Clinton fundraiser died March 1, 1994, when his plane exploded.

27. Kevin Ives & Don Henry - Known as "The boys on the track" case. Reports say the two boys may have stumbled upon the Mean Arkansas airport drug operation. The initial report of death said their deaths were due to falling asleep on railroad tracks and being run over. Later autopsy reports stated that the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.

THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:

28. Keith Coney - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, 7/88.

29. Keith McMaskle - Died, stabbed 113 times, Nov 1988

30. Gregory Collins - Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.

31. Jeff Rhodes - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989. (Coroner ruled death due to suicide)

32. James Milan - Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death was due to natural causes"?

33. Jordan Kettleson - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.

34. Richard Winters - A suspect in the Ives/Henry deaths. He was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.

THE FOLLOWING CLINTON PERSONAL BODYGUARDS ALL DIED OF MYSTERIOUS CAUSES OR SUICIDE

36. Major William S. Barkley, Jr.

37. Captain Scott J . Reynolds

38. Sgt. Brian Hanley

39. Sgt. Tim Sabel

40. Major General William Robertson

41. Col. William Densberger

42. Col. Robert Kelly

43. Spec. Gary Rhodes

44. Steve Willis

45. Robert Williams

46. Conway LeBleu

47. Todd McKeehan

Pass this on. Let the public know what happens to associates of the Clintons!
And this list does not include the four dead Americans in Benghazi that Hillary abandoned! "But what difference does it make?"

Hillary Clinton is the very embodiment of Washington corruption!

The dreaded Politico is reporting that Sanders' camp is moving their main New Hampshire office to a larger and more central venue, and has designs on opening up two additional offices in the state soon. Clinton for her part has six offices already open and is moving for a seventh: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/bernie-kicking-into-overdrive-121387.html?hp=c4_3

It'll be interesting to see now that the Sanders surge has halted whether he'll try to build up in Iowa and New Hampshire simultaneously or if he'll just focus most of his assets in the latter and accept a large loss in the former. There probably isn't a right way to play it for someone in his position. He on his own can't overtake Clinton in Iowa, but if he doesn't try to improve his position there then a blowout loss could cause some of his New Hampshire supporters to leave him.


I don't know what the political or electoral significance of that conspiracy theory babbling is supposed to be, but keep your hurr durr chain letter e-mail nonsense out of my thread.

...I am wondering why Hillary sent her private server to a I.T. firm in New Jersey to have it scrubbed.......hmmm .

Might have something to do with all those deaths I posted above.