Quote (Goomshill @ 13 Sep 2014 18:53)

No, it shows I'm capable of googling texas state law and paraphrasing it. "Non-deadly force" is the exact phrase used.

Abuse does not include reasonable discipline by a parent/guardian/managing or possessory conservator if child not exposed to substantial risk of harm. Family Code § 261.001. [Civil Code] Parent/stepparent/person standing in loco parentis to child is justified to use non-deadly force against a child under 18 when and to degree the actor reasonably believes necessary to discipline, or safeguard or promote child's welfare. Penal § 9.61. [Criminal Code]



And precedent unambiguously states that leaving marks is not a bar set for the line between spanking and child abuse



No, its specifically not a crime. A parent, legal guardian or person in position of authority is allowed to discipline a minor physically, so long as its reasonable.
What you call "assaulting a child" is not a crime nor is it classified as assault. You better find plenty more on the subject, because spanking is protected by law in pretty much every state

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You have a beef with proverbs 13:24?
Solomon has a bone to pick with you

Quote (Skinned @ Sep 13 2014 12:56pm)

What precedent?  Show me.

My dad hit me with a leather belt, I don't beat my kids, and so far they are turning out much better than me.

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These days, child protection agencies tend to have less tolerance for corporal punishment than was the case decades ago, Nemeth said. Their standard for intervening in a case tends to be if a mark is left on the child. But Nemeth said his line isn't as sharp. "It depends on the mark," he said. "A red mark, I think that can happen in the administration of legitimate corporal punishment. I think using the hand or a strap is OK." However, a black-and-blue mark, or many red marks, crosses the line, the judge said.

Quote (card_sultan @ Sep 13 2014 06:57am)

This offends me. Domestic abuse and child abuse can occur in any household but probably more often in conservative ones

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No, the difference is not motive any more than the difference between child rape and consensual sex is motive.
Not sure, I didn't check the line beforehand, but I had heard that AD wasn't going to play this week even before this incident so I'd be inclined to think the line has stayed the same. I could be wrong, though.

Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 13 2014 02:03pm)

Heres one quote from an indiana court. I could go more in depth if you want;



The long and short of it is that its a matter of discretion for the court, obviously. There is no magical threshold where "leaving a mark" suddenly constitutes criminal or civil abuse.

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Nobody said anything about  magic, I'm not sure why you're bringing it up.

Leave it to the experts, let social workers and judges work it out.

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Abuse does not include physical discipline of a child if reasonable and moderate and inflicted by a parent or guardian for restraining or correcting a child. Listed as not reasonable or moderate for correcting or restraining: -- Throwing, kicking, burning, biting, cutting, striking with a closed fist, shaking a child under 3, striking or other actions which result in any non-accidental injury to a child less than 18 months, interfering with a child's breathing, threatening a child with a deadly weapon, striking a child on the face, or any other act that is likely to cause bodily harm greater than transient pain or minor temporary marks. [Statute says this is an illustrative and not exclusive list]. Age, size, condition of the child, and the location of the injury and frequency or recurrence of injuries shall be considered in determining "reasonable" or "moderate."
§ 9-27-303(B). [Civil Code]

Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 13 2014 11:06am)

Pfft, voyaging already went there;

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Pfft, voyaging already went there;

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