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#61
Jun 11 2013 09:21am
Quote (doomchaser @ Jun 11 2013 11:07am)
Some of my friends landed in prison, i went to work...When they get out, most of them say they going back soon lol...They can't handle it out in the world anymore and know it is just a matter of time...Something is wrong with this. We might as well brand them like they did to slaves in spartacus... Once we learn they a felon they cant get a job usually..
Sure we need prisons but for those who will cause harm to others or steal what is not thiers...Loans at your own risk bad credit should be all there is not prison.
Once we imprison people for a loan the loan company is the one policing us. You can't take a eduaction back from someone if they don't pay a loan..Soo they say they own you now? You are the property of the Loan holder who paid for your education...Better make them a profit or they will imprison you!!


So your friends are making premeditated decisions to commit more crimes in the future, they don't sound like helpless victims to me. They do however sound too prideful to apply to McDonald's to pay what they owe. They deserve to be in prison.
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Jun 11 2013 09:28am
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So your friends are making premeditated decisions to commit more crimes in the future, they don't sound like helpless victims to me. They do however sound too prideful to apply to McDonald's to pay what they owe. They deserve to be in prison.


I never claimed they are saints, they accept something that will come, and do not try change their ways...they may deserve prison but maybe they deserve a better chance to change also...My point is the system is screwd up more prisons and less schools is not the answer.
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Jun 11 2013 09:37am
Quote (doomchaser @ Jun 11 2013 11:28am)
I never claimed they are saints, they accept something that will come, and do not try change their ways...they may deserve prison but maybe they deserve a better chance to change also...My point is the system is screwd up more prisons and less schools is not the answer.


Explain again how education will stop crime if your friends are in jail for going to school in the first place :bonk:

But seriously, don't claim the system is screwed up if you admit that the examples you have deserve to be locked up.
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#64
Jun 11 2013 09:42am
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Jun 11 2013 08:49am)
...perhaps if we brought back debtor prisons fewer kids would borrow $100K in the pursuit of a degree in women's studies or eskimo history .


Those degrees aren't the problem, the problem is for-profit universities.
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#65
Jun 11 2013 09:45am
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Those degrees aren't the problem, the problem is for-profit universities.


...you going full Euro on us ; what's next , bi-weekly bathing ? B)
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Jun 11 2013 09:52am
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Jun 11 2013 09:45am)
...you going full Euro on us ; what's next , bi-weekly bathing ?  B)


:hah: But in all seriousness I honestly blame the for-profits, they account for around 10% of total "university students" and are half of the unpaid student debt. I totally agree with you on the difficulty of finding employment with one of those degrees. Companies won't automatically reject someone with a ridiculous humanities degree like some of the ones you described. The individual could've gotten a private scholarship to pay for it, or just be wealthy. These people depending on their resume are still granted an interview. However with any for-profit university they will just laugh, throw your resume away and never think of you again because the for-profit university shows poor decision making immediately unlike a ridiculous humanity major.

Do you not agree?
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#67
Jun 11 2013 09:57am
Quote (hedonism @ Jun 11 2013 08:37am)
Explain again how education will stop crime if your friends are in jail for going to school in the first place :bonk:

But seriously, don't claim the system is screwed up if you admit that the examples you have deserve to be locked up.


They do not see a better way, because of their education they may have. \You don't serve your time and expect all to be forgot...you are marked for life as a felon. Branded as a person of crime they see no way to erase that mark. Some change and do well, but most feel that mark as a hindrance, and use it as a excuse to further their life of crime.
Not sure what could be done to change things, but just building more prisons is not the answer.
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#68
Jun 11 2013 10:00am
Yes, but it won't be because of gun control, it will be because young Americans stop having children.

When we are a nation completely comprised of the elderly it will become possible to sustain our welfare state.

It won't be some libertarian fantasy with citizen militias though, lawl. Keep burying your guns though.

This post was edited by Skinned on Jun 11 2013 10:01am
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Jun 11 2013 10:05am
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Yes, but it won't be because of gun control, it will be because young Americans stop having children.

When we are a nation completely comprised of the elderly it will become possible to sustain our welfare state.

It won't be some libertarian fantasy with citizen militias though, lawl.  Keep burying your guns though.


This, too many old folks.
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#70
Jun 11 2013 10:21am
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Jun 11 2013 01:07am)
...if we keep emasculating our young males we will fall one day . How do you win a war when all the soldiers were raised to think all contests should end in a tie so nobodies feelings get hurt ?


I agree with you kinda, but the EGO in general needs a chill pill in this world.
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