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May 13 2013 07:37pm
Quote (killgoreisleet @ May 13 2013 02:46pm)
You forget I live in Florida and most of everything I have learned has been on my own dime and time.

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I would say that 99% of people who have had the same type of educational background as me wouldn't know this either. It's all about putting in the effort to care about what's being taught. For me and history that's always been easy, it's something I have a passion for.
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May 13 2013 07:46pm
Quote (aliquis @ May 14 2013 03:46am)
Only in america. The whole "bless the jews" obsession is an american thing.

On the other hand, the 'it's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God' passage is taken quite literally elsewhere, while in america it's explained away in a 1001 different ways.

Surprise!


The eye of the needle was a small passage in jerusalem that a camel could not walk through without being unburdened and crawling through it.

This post was edited by Lifebane99 on May 13 2013 07:46pm
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May 13 2013 07:48pm
Quote (Caedus @ May 13 2013 12:47pm)
The Romans put client rulers up in provinces that were not located in the "core" regions (Western Europe, Greece). The farther from Rome the less power Rome has over it's provinces so it's simpler to prop up a puppet ruler (Which Herod was) with the head administrator with real power. They did this in much of Asia until they realized client rulers and vassal states are not as reliable as Roman administrators.

Pilate only cared about Judaea as ling as it made money for Rome. That was his job, and "appealing to the Jewish masses" would not make Rome more money. Getting rid of a religious leader however would be, and as I said before it has precedence with the Roman administrators in Gaul, Britannia and Germania executing and subverting the druids.


Say what you want, but Scripture speaks for itself. Pilate saw no wrong in Jesus, and asked the Jews who would they want either Barabbas or Jesus, and the Jews chose to free Barabbas. Pilate put the decision of Jesus' death in the Jewish people. For you to say otherwise is truly ignorant.

Going back to Pilate, he was governor of Judea and was tasked to rule it. Pilate made a few mistakes in the past, putting his leadership in question. Here is some information for you:

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His first mistake was refusing to remove the bust of the Emperor from the soldiers’ standards when entering Jerusalem. Previous governors had understood that the Jews did not want an image of a ruler before them: God was their King. Pilate refused to remove the busts of the Emperor. When Pilate returned to Caesarea, the Jews followed him for five days. Finally, he ordered them to the amphitheatre. If they didn’t stop hounding him, he would kill them. The Jews instantly bared their necks and told the soldiers to kill them. Pilate was unable with a clear conscience to kill so many, so he removed the busts from the standards in the future.

The second problem involved the building of a much-needed aqueduct. Pilate didn’t have the money to pay for one, so he raided the Temple treasury. When the Jews protested, he dressed his soldiers in plain clothes and armed them with concealed weapons. When he gave the signal, they attacked the mob of Jews, killing many of them. This didn’t make Pilate popular.

The third situation was a case of Pilate not learning his lesson the first time. He put up shields in the palace with Tiberius’ name on them. The shields were devoted to honoring Tiberius. The emperor was regarded as a god. Once again, the people were outraged and this time they reported the matter to Rome. Pilate was ordered to remove the shields.


Here is more on Pilate's eventual removal from office:

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Pilate's term as prefect of Judaea ended after an incident recounted by Josephus. A large group of Samaritans had been persuaded by an unnamed man to go to Mount Gerizim in order to see sacred artifacts allegedly buried by Moses. But at a village named Tirathana, before the crowd could ascend the mountain, Pilate sent in "a detachment of cavalry and heavy-armed infantry, who in an encounter with the firstcomers in the village slew some in a pitched battle and put the others to flight. Many prisoners were taken, of whom Pilate put to death the principal leaders and those who were most influential."[36] The Samaritans then complained to Vitellius, Roman governor of Syria, who sent Pilate to Rome to explain his actions regarding this incident to Tiberius. However, by the time Pilate got to Rome, Tiberius had died.[37]


Overall, Pilate's poor relationship with Jewish people have put him in the hot seat. Pilate gave in to the Pharisees and Sadducees in order to keep his job. The Jews crucified Jesus. Roman soldiers just hammered in the nails.

This post was edited by dajusta on May 13 2013 07:54pm
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May 13 2013 07:51pm
The bible is the greatest work of fiction ever produced.
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May 13 2013 07:53pm
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The bible is the greatest work of fiction ever produced.


Then why do historians believe in its historicity?
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May 13 2013 08:04pm
Quote (Lifebane99 @ May 13 2013 07:46pm)
The eye of the needle was a small passage in jerusalem that a camel could not walk through without being unburdened and crawling through it.


Gratz for following widows lead and completely ignoring my point.

Pearls before swine. ;)
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May 13 2013 08:06pm
Quote (aliquis @ May 14 2013 12:04pm)
Gratz for following widows lead and completely ignoring my point.

Pearls before swine.  ;)


That is what the eye of the needle was, i did not follow widows lead, i simply explained it because you seemed to be confused.
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May 13 2013 08:09pm
Quote (Lifebane99 @ May 13 2013 08:06pm)
That is what the eye of the needle was, i did not follow widows lead, i simply explained it because you seemed to be confused.


I said nothing regarding my own beliefs.
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May 13 2013 08:13pm
Quote (dajusta @ May 13 2013 09:48pm)
Say what you want, but Scripture speaks for itself. Pilate saw no wrong in Jesus, and asked the Jews who would they want either Barabbas or Jesus, and the Jews chose to free Barabbas. Pilate put the decision of Jesus' death in the Jewish people. For you to say otherwise is truly ignorant.

Going back to Pilate, he was governor of Judea and was tasked to rule it. Pilate made a few mistakes in the past, putting his leadership in question. Here is some information for you:



Here is more on Pilate's eventual removal from office:



Overall, Pilate's poor relationship with Jewish people have put him in the hot seat. Pilate gave in to the Pharisees and Sadducees in order to keep his job. The Jews crucified Jesus. Roman soldiers just hammered in the nails.


Indeed it does, scripture written by Roman citizens who don't wish to have their nation portrayed in a bad light.
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May 13 2013 09:13pm
Quote (Caedus @ May 13 2013 09:13pm)
Indeed it does, scripture written by Roman citizens who don't wish to have their nation portrayed in a bad light.



Then, the new testament is an heresy falsified by the Roman elite?
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