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May 10 2013 12:23pm
Quote (shay11 @ May 10 2013 12:12pm)
Now who is generalizing?
You will note crime was actually falling in late-Victorian London despite the stereotype. See Jose Harris, Private Lives, Public Spirit: Britain 1870-1914.


I think it has to do more so with the lead in gasoline. Obviously as cars became more popular, so did gas consumption. If that gas is leaded as it was back then, then there is going to be more lead in the environment.

Also, it's not just one study, it was an amalgamation of studies:

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I began by reading the papers. Do they say what the article claims? They do. Then I looked up the citations: the discussion of those papers in the scientific literature. The three whose citations I checked have been mentioned, between them, 301 times. I went through all these papers (except the handful in foreign languages), as well as dozens of others. To my astonishment, I could find just one study attacking the thesis, and this was sponsored by the Ethyl Corporation, which happens to have been a major manufacturer of the petrol additive tetraethyl lead. I found many more supporting it. Crazy as this seems, it really does look as if lead poisoning could be the major cause of the rise and fall of violent crime.


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May 10 2013 02:24pm
Quote (Santara @ May 9 2013 12:41pm)
The fuck if you aren't. Gun control is a prime example. The public (erroneously) perceives a major threat due to guns, and the Democrats can't fall over themselves fast enough to do something (wholly ineffectual at that) about it. Then along comes people like you, with your "data-driven findings" (your precious polls) telling your masters the public wants something done, whether it's right or not. You're a useful idiot.


See: saying something over and over again doesn't make it true. Officeholders are expected to give their electorate what they want. I don't know what's so difficult about that notion that your pea brain doesn't understand, it should be straightforward. The threat of gun violence is real and the fact that it's reduced over time is really irrelevant in the face of people still wanting to reduce it even more. People are tired of seeing theaters and temples and schools being shot up, and that says nothing about all the street corners where they can get blown away. Violence has been reduced, and the electorate wants it to be reduced even more. Amusingly this parallels the budgetary issue of deficit reduction. The electorate mistakenly feels that the deficit has gotten larger over time (including the vast majority of the retarded right that's foaming at the mouth over "out of control spending"), when in reality it's only gotten smaller during Obama's term. What is the weight of their mistaken belief when measured against their desire to see it go down even more? I won't waste the time responding to your statement that legislation has been ineffectual since, you know, that assessment has been proven to be false repeatedly.

Nothing has changed here: you can argue that gun violence reform is "wrong" until you're blue in the face, it's majority rules in this country. You need to actually make the case so that your position becomes the majority, or you need to illustrate that your constitutional rights are being infringed upon. Up to this point you've failed spectacularly to create a majority position (and by you I mean anti-reform crybabies), and the argument that rights are being infringed is a difficult one (if not impossible) when the greatest advocate of the second amendment that the Supreme Court has ever seen in a justice is in agreeance that reform is not inherently infringing on rights.

The public wants to do something. That's just reality, and it doesn't matter how much it hurts your feelings if the only thing you can offer to change the will of the electorate is a few random cries about it being "wrong" that you can't back up substantively. A lot of people said it was wrong that people in same-sex relationships couldn't get married when they were failing to illustrate how their rights were being infringed upon, and they had to go about making their case so that their position would become the majority even if the courts didn't back them. Until you can actually make good on all the crying, nothing's really going to change here.
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May 10 2013 02:46pm
Awful suggestion

I think the Red States and Blue States should separate. Free Trade and all, but liberal ideals are driving this nation miles underground.
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May 10 2013 02:47pm
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Awful suggestion

I think the Red States and Blue States should separate.  Free Trade and all, but liberal ideals are driving this nation miles underground.


The blue states would just conquer the red states.
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May 10 2013 02:49pm
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The blue states would just conquer the red states.


The blue states are doing the world a favor by keeping the red states locked firm in the nation's border, lol.
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May 10 2013 02:52pm
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The blue states are doing the world a favor by keeping the red states locked firm in the nation's border, lol.


Liberals are just more war-like than conservatives.
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May 10 2013 02:56pm
Quote (JayKwik @ May 10 2013 03:24pm)
See: saying something over and over again doesn't make it true. Officeholders are expected to give their electorate what they want. I don't know what's so difficult about that notion that your pea brain doesn't understand, it should be straightforward. The threat of gun violence is real and the fact that it's reduced over time is really irrelevant in the face of people still wanting to reduce it even more. People are tired of seeing theaters and temples and schools being shot up, and that says nothing about all the street corners where they can get blown away. Violence has been reduced, and the electorate wants it to be reduced even more. Amusingly this parallels the budgetary issue of deficit reduction. The electorate mistakenly feels that the deficit has gotten larger over time (including the vast majority of the retarded right that's foaming at the mouth over "out of control spending"), when in reality it's only gotten smaller during Obama's term. What is the weight of their mistaken belief when measured against their desire to see it go down even more? I won't waste the time responding to your statement that legislation has been ineffectual since, you know, that assessment has been proven to be false repeatedly.

Nothing has changed here: you can argue that gun violence reform is "wrong" until you're blue in the face, it's majority rules in this country. You need to actually make the case so that your position becomes the majority, or you need to illustrate that your constitutional rights are being infringed upon. Up to this point you've failed spectacularly to create a majority position (and by you I mean anti-reform crybabies), and the argument that rights are being infringed is a difficult one (if not impossible) when the greatest advocate of the second amendment that the Supreme Court has ever seen in a justice is in agreeance that reform is not inherently infringing on rights.

The public wants to do something. That's just reality, and it doesn't matter how much it hurts your feelings if the only thing you can offer to change the will of the electorate is a few random cries about it being "wrong" that you can't back up substantively. A lot of people said it was wrong that people in same-sex relationships couldn't get married when they were failing to illustrate how their rights were being infringed upon, and they had to go about making their case so that their position would become the majority even if the courts didn't back them. Until you can actually make good on all the crying, nothing's really going to change here.


...saying it isn't so doesn't make it not true. Gee, that was easy. Officeholders are expected to follow the rules governing the limitations on their power too. What's that gotten us? The petulant behavior normally ascribed to a teenager who constantly pushes the barriers of acceptable behavior. Once a precedent is set, push a new barrier. And regarding your "parallel," the morons on the left try awfully hard to pass off a shrinking deficit as a shrinking debt. Spending IS out of control. Just because it's getting less awful doesn't mean it's not still awful.

It is majority rules so long as those rules do not trample on the protections afforded to the minority in this country.

Constitutional rights ARE being attacked. The Heller decision is just waiting to be expanded upon. The first case that lands a so-called assault weapons before the Court is going to be struck down for the same reason the DC (and subsequently the Chicago) handgun ban was: the arms in question are in (very) common use for lawful purposes. That doesn't mean we should just stand idly by and watch the Washington fucktards on their unholy crusade and wait for the courts to clean up after them, the court has historically been woefully recalcitrant to rein in a Congress that continues to push its limits. I'll be a loud and boisterous opposition until I am a dead opposition.
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May 10 2013 03:05pm
Quote (Santara @ May 10 2013 04:56pm)
...saying it isn't so doesn't make it not true. Gee, that was easy. Officeholders are expected to follow the rules governing the limitations on their power too. What's that gotten us? The petulant behavior normally ascribed to a teenager who constantly pushes the barriers of acceptable behavior. Once a precedent is set, push a new barrier. And regarding your "parallel," the morons on the left try awfully hard to pass off a shrinking deficit as a shrinking debt. Spending IS out of control. Just because it's getting less awful doesn't mean it's not still awful.

It is majority rules so long as those rules do not trample on the protections afforded to the minority in this country.

Constitutional rights ARE being attacked. The Heller decision is just waiting to be expanded upon. The first case that lands a so-called assault weapons before the Court is going to be struck down for the same reason the DC (and subsequently the Chicago) handgun ban was: the arms in question are in (very) common use for lawful purposes. That doesn't mean we should just stand idly by and watch the Washington fucktards on their unholy crusade and wait for the courts to clean up after them, the court has historically been woefully recalcitrant to rein in a Congress that continues to push its limits. I'll be a loud and boisterous opposition until I am a dead opposition.


Oh good, "dangerous path" bullshit. It's been forever since I've heard that one. Yawn.



This post was edited by JayKwik on May 10 2013 03:05pm
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May 10 2013 03:10pm
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Oh good, "dangerous path" bullshit. It's been forever since I've heard that one. Yawn.

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Oh good, spam. I've heard that one a little too much lately. Get back when you have something useful. Or not.
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May 10 2013 03:15pm
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Oh good, spam. I've heard that one a little too much lately. Get back when you have something useful. Or not.


There's nothing else to say because you live in a fantasy land, and when I do actually apply the effort into smashing your little delusions you just retreat further into your little bubble. You say constitutional rights are being attacked, fantastic, why is no one credible able to make that argument or illustrate how they are?

Let's hear it, bubble-dweller. Everyone in the evidenced-based community has failed, give me some of that fantasy-land rhetoric to help me understand.

Quote (Skinned @ May 10 2013 04:52pm)
Liberals are just more war-like than conservatives.


I've gotten to the point where I'm ready to just let the "secede!" states go. Please, just leave already.

This post was edited by JayKwik on May 10 2013 03:17pm
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