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Feb 4 2013 06:35pm
Quote (Dune1 @ 4 Feb 2013 21:32)
Do you think everyone will be in heaven?


none of the sheep entrusted to me that the father is lost
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Feb 4 2013 06:40pm
Quote (El Shadday @ Feb 4 2013 07:35pm)
none of the sheep entrusted to me that the father is lost


Is this in reference to John chapter 17?
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#63
Feb 4 2013 07:01pm
Wow, 7 pages already. This is only the first of the ten questions as well.
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Feb 4 2013 07:07pm
Quote (Dune1 @ 4 Feb 2013 18:23)
Fear is a wonderful motivator.  However, you are attributing punishment with hate and fear, not me.  I attribute the punishment of God with love.  When my parents punished me as a child, I didn't think they hated me.  I understand now (not then) that they punished me because they loved me.

Eternal punishment is not something we grasp because it's "eternal".  However, God is perfect in his holiness, justice, and righteousness.  Those who are in Christ are rewarded eternally.  Those who are not are punished eternally.


I never quite understood this. How is an eternal punishment necessary because of a finite time of... disobedience? Not really sure what word to use there.
If i might add another question. Whats the mainstream view on what happens to devout Muslims or Hindus? Or in general good people who dont believe in Jesus. When i was in church as a kid they taught that it was the same if you were a murderer or a devout Muslim, you both go to hell.
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#65
Feb 4 2013 07:08pm
Quote (CPK001 @ 4 Feb 2013 19:01)
Wow, 7 pages already. This is only the first of the ten questions as well.


So what have you concluded from your time on PaRD?
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Feb 4 2013 07:14pm
Quote (ass666 @ Feb 5 2013 11:08am)
So what have you concluded from your time on PaRD?


What have I noticed? All the double posters like yourself for one.

Oh and do you really care about Muslims or Hindus? I've seen this before. You try to make out that you care about "all those people" but when we dig further we find out that you are just making an excuse for not trusting God. I see it all the time. Do you give generously to all those charities and sponsor many children?

When your neighbour suffers from the effects of a flood or a cyclone, are you there lending a helping hand and doing it cheerfully? Those are just some of the questions that is asked and then we find out where the heart lies. I do not have the answer as to what happens to all of the Muslims and Hindus. I'm sure God knows where their hearts lie and they will be judged justly.

It all comes back to "Do you trust God?" Now back in the Garden, you see the results of not trusting God. I'll leave it at that.
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#67
Feb 4 2013 07:28pm
Quote (sylvannos @ Feb 4 2013 04:02pm)
Soooooo....question: If Jesus performed these miracles, how come it wasn't a big deal? I mean, a child born to a virgin? Who heals the sick? Who resurrects the dead? Who can turn water into wine? Who can create fish? And the Romans didn't didn't like, send more people to investigate?


It was a big deal.

Quote (El Shadday @ Feb 4 2013 08:13pm)
the message that Jesus left us is the law of love, nothing beyond that.
any other point that comes to eternal punishment, etc ... is contradictory to what Jesus gave us.


I have some literature you should read, it's called the New Testament.

This post was edited by Voyaging on Feb 4 2013 07:29pm
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Feb 4 2013 07:29pm
Quote (CPK001 @ Feb 4 2013 07:14pm)
What have I noticed? All the double posters like yourself for one.

Oh and do you really care about Muslims or Hindus? I've seen this before. You try to make out that you care about "all those people" but when we dig further we find out that you are just making an excuse for not trusting God. I see it all the time. Do you give generously to all those charities and sponsor many children?

When your neighbour suffers from the effects of a flood or a cyclone, are you there lending a helping hand and doing it cheerfully? Those are just some of the questions that is asked and then we find out where the heart lies. I do not have the answer as to what happens to all of the Muslims and Hindus. I'm sure God knows where their hearts lie and they will be judged justly.

It all comes back to "Do you trust God?" Now back in the Garden, you see the results of not trusting God. I'll leave it at that.


New International Version (©1984)
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

It appears that everyone else who doesn't believe will be going to hell.

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Feb 4 2013 09:27pm
Quote (AEtheric @ Feb 5 2013 11:29am)
New International Version (©1984)
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

It appears that everyone else who doesn't believe will be going to hell.


Then why don't you believe?
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Feb 4 2013 10:44pm
Quote (CPK001 @ Feb 4 2013 08:27pm)
Then why don't you believe?


He doesn't believe in the Father to begin with.
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