Well then, modal possibility is ridiculous and a poor argument as it ignores empiricism.

And until you realize you don't know what you're talking about and should read a book before you post, your criticism of my argument fails miserably.

Maximal greatness is a defined variable. Anyone who creates an argument can choose what they want terms THEY THEMSELVES MADE UP to mean.



By that criteria, all logic is useless because it does not take empiricism into account, and this very sentence is contradictorily contradictory because logic is useless and everything that has ever been said is meaningless including this.

Let's just say you're on the extremist fringe of academia.

This post was edited by Voyaging on Oct 12 2012 10:10pm

as is infinity

No, but I don't know why that's relevant.

I don't expect much from somebody who thinks William 2 citations Lane Craig is a credible source who's even close to taken seriously in academia. This argument has been refuted and denounced from its inception for over a dozen reasons, but you're pretty quick to grab onto anything that confirms your intuition.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Oct 12 2012 10:13pm

define maximal greatness

Yeah, especially considering I said I didn't accept his argument.

Learn to read.



Plantinga defined a maximally great being as one that has maximal excellence in every possible world.

Can you point it out, because I can't find it.

^^

1. A being has maximal excellence in a given possible world W if and only if it is omnipotent, omniscient and wholly good in W; and
2. A being has maximal greatness if it has maximal excellence in every possible world.
3. It is possible that there is a being that has maximal greatness. (Premise)
4. Therefore, possibly, it is necessarily true that an omniscient, omnipotent, and perfectly good being exists.
5. Therefore, (by axiom S5) it is necessarily true that an omniscient, omnipotent and perfectly good being exists.
6. Therefore, an omniscient, omnipotent and perfectly good being exists.

This is hands down the most compelling logical argument for belief in God. You may need to read up on modal language to understand some of the terminology.



I got confused by this last part, as it seems you're saying that it's the most compelling argument. So does that mean there aren't any legit compelling arguments for belief in god in your view?

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Oct 12 2012 10:21pm