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Sep 10 2012 09:46pm
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I did go look, and you didn't tear it apart, you cherry picked a few and gave the same old rehashed reasons to support them. Anyways I was more interested in difference of policy between the 2 candidates rather then listen to your arguments for them. These are major core issues, not edge issues.


No. The idea of completely abolishing Income Tax is not a core issue. Virtually no one in America thinks it is an even remotely good idea. It came up in Massachusetts as a state issue last year and the idea was overwhelmingly shot down by the voters. It could be very easily brought up in many other states on a state level, but no one is pushing for it. Because it's a stupid idea. :(

That's one example, and like I said, I'm really not interested in going over all of them, because it's the same story all the way down. The vast majority of people don't give a fuck about any of those issues, which is why there are no mainstream candidates who are talking about them.
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I did go look, and you didn't tear it apart, you cherry picked a few and gave the same old rehashed reasons to support them. Anyways I was more interested in difference of policy between the 2 candidates rather then listen to your arguments for them. These are major core issues, not edge issues.


What's major is relative to the individual voter.
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Sep 10 2012 09:48pm
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What's major is relative to the individual voter.


The American people are super interested in Alternative Medicine, but the man keeps oppressing them. :(
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Sep 10 2012 09:49pm
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The American people are super interested in Alternative Medicine, but the man keeps oppressing them.  :(


I think one thing in that list might be relevant to the main stream voter. That's about it
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Sep 10 2012 09:54pm
Quote (AiNedeSpelCzech @ Sep 10 2012 08:46pm)
No.  The idea of completely abolishing Income Tax is not a core issue.  Virtually no one in America thinks it is an even remotely good idea.  It came up in Massachusetts as a state issue last year and the idea was overwhelmingly shot down by the voters.  It could be very easily brought up in many other states on a state level, but no one is pushing for it.  Because it's a stupid idea.  :( 

That's one example, and like I said, I'm really not interested in going over all of them, because it's the same story all the way down.  The vast majority of people don't give a fuck about any of those issues, which is why there are no mainstream candidates who are talking about them.

No mainstream candidate is pushing for it because they'll just get shut out by special interests like any other 3rd party candidate. The people do care about it, they just never hear it or have anyone voicing it for them. The income tax and war is the biggest thing weighing the economy down right now, for you to say these are edge issues shows you should probably stay out of politics or get some information outside of the mainline propaganda narrative. This is such a bad post, my goodness. To say the income tax is a non issue is beyond ignorance.

I guess I should expect these types of responses though, you keep electing the same old idiots that do nothing but destroy the country and spread hate around the world, lol.

Yeah, millions of voters in the GOP alone being trampled on, real classy of you to say they're non issues. You're not as smart as you think :(
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Sep 10 2012 10:01pm
Quote (DieTryin' @ 10 Sep 2012 22:54)
No mainstream candidate is pushing for it because they'll just get shut out by special interests like any other 3rd party candidate. The people do care about it, they just never hear it or have anyone voicing it for them. The income tax and war is the biggest thing weighing the economy down right now, for you to say these are edge issues shows you should probably stay out of politics or get some information outside of the mainline propaganda narrative. This is such a bad post, my goodness. To say the income tax is a non issue is beyond ignorance.

I guess I should expect these types of responses though, you keep electing the same old idiots that do nothing but destroy the country and spread hate around the world, lol.

Yeah, millions of voters in the GOP alone being trampled on, real classy of you to say they're non issues. You're not as smart as you think :(


How does it even make sense that the income tax is the 'biggest thing weighing the economy down' when we've had perfectly healthy economies with much higher income tax rates? It's just ridiculous.

The government needs money to function. The vast majority of the American people are aware of this simple fact, and do not want to cut off about half of the income that the federal government receives when we have a huge debt that needs to be paid down. One would have to be insane to think they could convince a significant plurality of the American people to unite against the Income Tax, let alone the majority of them.

Look at your last two sentences. Really read them. They are nothing but appeals to emotion and personal attacks. It shows how weak your position is, and it makes it sound like you're parroting the beliefs of others that you have swallowed unquestioningly, but that you don't understand the logic behind the arguments. :(

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Sep 10 2012 10:11pm
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How does it even make sense that the income tax is the 'biggest thing weighing the economy down' when we've had perfectly healthy economies with much higher income tax rates?  It's just ridiculous. 

The government needs money to function.  The vast majority of the American people are aware of this simple fact, and do not want to cut off about half of the income that the federal government receives when we have a huge debt that needs to be paid down.  One would have to be insane to think they could convince a significant plurality of the American people to unite against the Income Tax, let alone the majority of them. 

Look at your last two sentences.  Really read them.  They are nothing but appeals to emotion and personal attacks.  It shows how weak your position is, and it makes it sound like you're parroting the beliefs of others that you have swallowed unquestioningly, but that you don't understand the logic behind the arguments.  :(

Because spending is the problem not lack of taxes, which is not only the problem, but war as well. You're insane to support someone paying like 700b? on militarism destroying other nations. I never said the government doesn't need money, I'm saying they don't need that much money, especially when it symbolizes they own your income. You're missing the point entirely. They're only aware of what main stream corporate shills spew out to them, they have no opposition, so how can they be against it? It's all pro big government you see in mainstream. Nothing but fear mongering from war propaganda with the evil brown people to everyone would die without government theft.

I read my last 2 sentences, I think you should re-read them, because obviously you fail to see the destructive trend you're following. Keep thinking your government loves you and msm is giving you fair and balanced information. Stay in that bubble :(
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Sep 10 2012 10:17pm
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Because spending is the problem not lack of taxes, which is not only the problem, but war as well. You're insane to support someone paying like 700b? on militarism destroying other nations. I never said the government doesn't need money, I'm saying they don't need that much money, especially when it symbolizes they own your income. You're missing the point entirely. They're only aware of what main stream corporate shills spew out to them, they have no opposition, so how can they be against it? It's all pro big government you see in mainstream. Nothing but fear mongering from war propaganda with the evil brown people to everyone would die without government theft.

I read my last 2 sentences, I think you should re-read them, because obviously you fail to see the destructive trend you're following. Keep thinking your government loves you and msm is giving you fair and balanced information. Stay in that bubble :(


You're trying to throw everything at me, including the kitchen sink. But at least now you're basically wearing your elitism and the problem with that elitism on your sleeve.

Because seriously, who in the hell are you to tell people what they ought to hear? They're aware of the things that they care about, and of those things that they aren't aware, why are your issues the important ones? Why is your fringe shit that no one else cares about important, but a White Nationalists fringe bullshit that no one cares about not important? Or a flat Earther? Or any of ten thousand other people who have a burning desire for other people to have to listen to the shit that they care about and give a fuck about the things that they give a fuck about?

The fact is that the mainstream media gives people what they want so that they can make money, and that's the end of the list. You can be as mad as you want at Joe Sixpack and the fact that he doesn't really want to give that much of a fuck and wade hip deep in every bit of bullshit out there, but that doesn't mean that you're somehow the final arbiter on what people ought to be listening to. Especially when it's clear that you glom onto these blatantly obvious scams like alkalinity diets. :(
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Sep 10 2012 10:21pm
Quote (AiNedeSpelCzech @ Sep 10 2012 09:17pm)
You're trying to throw everything at me, including the kitchen sink.  But at least now you're basically wearing your elitism and the problem with that elitism on your sleeve. 

Because seriously, who in the hell are you to tell people what they ought to hear?  They're aware of the things that they care about, and of those things that they aren't aware, why are your issues the important ones?  Why is your fringe shit that no one else cares about important, but a White Nationalists fringe bullshit that no one cares about not important?  Or a flat Earther?  Or any of ten thousand other people who have a burning desire for other people to have to listen to the shit that they care about and give a fuck about the things that they give a fuck about? 

The fact is that the mainstream media gives people what they want so that they can make money, and that's the end of the list.  You can be as mad as you want at Joe Sixpack and the fact that he doesn't really want to give that much of a fuck and wade hip deep in every bit of bullshit out there, but that doesn't mean that you're somehow the final arbiter on what people ought to be listening to.  Especially when it's clear that you glom onto these blatantly obvious scams like alkalinity diets.  :(

That's the point you're missing. It's not that people should listen to others and do as I or anyone else says, but they should not be using government to force their personal beliefs on others. It's ignorant and immoral. Also, alkalinity scam diet? Lol I was sick with a disease for 20 years and used that diet to cure myself, so yeah, stay ignorant, man, I'm speaking from experience that was literally night and day.
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Sep 10 2012 10:25pm
Quote (DieTryin' @ 10 Sep 2012 23:21)
That's the point you're missing. It's not that people should listen to others and do as I or anyone else says, but they should not be using government to force their personal beliefs on others. It's ignorant and immoral. Also, alkalinity scam diet? Lol I was sick with a disease for 20 years and used that diet to cure myself, so yeah, stay ignorant, man, I'm speaking from experience that was literally night and day.


Anecdotal evidence without any sorts of controls whatsoever doesn't convince anyone. Nor should it. It's great that you were able to make some strict dietary changes that ended up being healthier for you with whatever illness you had, but to somehow lay that at the feet of the shitty science behind that alkaline bullshit is just an example of not understanding medicine. :(

And talk about moving the goalposts. Your point was "Why aren't my little edge issues being listened to?" and you try to swing it around to "The government shouldn't be forcing personal beliefs on others." Which is a ridiculous swing. I don't think that anyone's personal beliefs should be forced on someone else, but I also don't think that Income Tax is a matter of belief, so it doesn't really fall under that umbrella.
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