Ummm, I think you misunderstood what they are talking about. Flickr mentioned that he was curious as to why the state had not banned cigs since they are extremely unhealthy for you and that was articwolfs response.



Because when the state starts controlling peoples personal lives you get this like drug cartels and gay marriage ban. As a homosexual you should be for as little Government involvement in personal lives as possible.

I understand what they're talking about.

I'm arguing that if he wants to argue that smoking should be legal in a public place because the government has no right to tell people what to do, then he should also be against government laws that restrict people from doing other things with their bodies in public places...like urinating in the park. I'm suggesting that it's a poor argument...

you the same right to the park just as non smokers and both of you are both banned from smoking in the park

i dont see a difference the law is equal imo


there not taking away your right any more then the non smoker

Good argument against gay marriage, I'm convinced.

Put in your bodies, then. Poor phrasing on my part.




I don't understand your response. If something isn't legal, it's the state telling you that you can't do it.

This post was edited by ArcticWolf6 on Feb 2 2011 10:53pm

Yes...but it still lands you in an awkward position because then you would also advocate having sex in the park.

Oh come on. The phrasing was obviously about chemicals, not genitals.

Marginally, and as about as significant as a mild smog day in Los Angelas. Who goes around with a strobe light? A cop. Should we be telling the police they can't use the strobe on their car to control the traffic lights ahead because it may set off someone's seizure? Should I have to turn off the strobe light on my school bus for the same reason? You can't just go around legislating against every tiny inconvenience and annoyance. It wastes time and imposes on people's liberty.



Black's Beach is difficult to get to, and apparently has a long history of being known as a nude beach according to the wiki. It notes that nudity is "tolerated," which implies that it's not necessarily legal. From what I understand of nudity outside the home, it generally occurs on private property.



I don't agree with the smoking bans in bars either, or with the legitimacy of the Clean Indoor Air Act either. Smoking bans and the CIAA violate private property rights and the 14th amendment, in that some property owners have the right to smoke on their property and some do not.

Non-smokers are completely free to not do business with an establishment that tolerates smoking. Forcing their preferences over the rights of the property owners is absurd.



In every fashion except the term.



/move to the back of the bus.



I don't smoke (aside from an occasional cigar on the golf course or my garage). Your health isn't at any more risk from outdoor smoking than it is from smog, and probably much less.



I can't believe we agree on something, and totally legit point: Why isn't wearing perfume (or applying it) on public transport illegal then?

My father told me about this when he got back from his doctor's appointment earlier today. Had to call me up to tell me about this and ask for some booze money.
He told me "Good thing they have me on this drug that makes cigarettes taste bad, I might actually be upset and have a heart attack on top of everything else!"

Complete and utter bullshit that they're actually going to ban smoking outside.
As congested as the streets of new york are with car exhaust, they have the nerve to ban smoking?
Mind boggling.

How long until we're only allowed to smoke in our homes, under our blankets, with the lights off?



I wish it was. I was at 7/11 earlier picking up a slurpee and a paper when this old woman walked in with so much perfume and hairspray on that I actually told the cashier that he better cut the power because one single spark and we're all dead. My throat was burning. My eyes were watering. The only good thing was when she sneezed, I got a wiff of peppermint and felt better for about a second.

This post was edited by Arsenic_Touch on Feb 2 2011 11:51pm