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Jan 7 2026 06:09pm
The officer doesn't have precognition. Just because he saw her turn her tires 45 degrees and back up while straightening out doesn't mean he knows she's going to turn them another 45 degrees after throwing it in drive. The fact is she put her foot on the gas with her tires facing straight forwards with an officer directly in front of her, feet away. How many revolutions did her tire make while spinning out with no traction? Each revolution is worth 5-7 feet of movement that would have happened with traction. She struck him with the corner of her vehicle once she started turning afterwards, judging by the spinout she would have struck him full on and run over him if she hadn't spun out.

She very clearly did everything wrong in this scenario and caused 100% of this. Full culpability on her. She stalked ICE all day and tried to interfere. She tried to obstruct and block them, a crime. She tried to flee law enforcement, a crime. She put someone in reasonable fear of their life with a deadly weapon, a crime.


ICE has spent the past year arresting people without warrants. A crime.
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Jan 7 2026 06:10pm
The officer doesn't have precognition. Just because he saw her turn her tires 45 degrees and back up while straightening out doesn't mean he knows she's going to turn them another 45 degrees after throwing it in drive. The fact is she put her foot on the gas with her tires facing straight forwards with an officer directly in front of her, feet away. How many revolutions did her tire make while spinning out with no traction? Each revolution is worth 5-7 feet of movement that would have happened with traction. She struck him with the corner of her vehicle once she started turning afterwards, judging by the spinout she would have struck him full on and run over him if she hadn't spun out.

She very clearly did everything wrong in this scenario and caused 100% of this. Full culpability on her. She stalked ICE all day and tried to interfere. She tried to obstruct and block them, a crime. She tried to flee law enforcement, a crime. She put someone in reasonable fear of their life with a deadly weapon, a crime.


Think we can clearly agree as did the officer given he's more likley to injury himself killing a driver a foot away in a moving vehicle. But again luckily she was avoiding him. Some piss poor work. Likley a sign of how poorly these individuals are trained. You know or he just wanted to pop a woman in the head which is probably more likely.

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Jan 7 2026 06:18pm
Think we can clearly agree as did the officer given he's more likley to injury himself killing a driver a foot away in a moving vehicle. But again luckily she was avoiding him. Some piss poor work. Likley a sign of how poorly these individuals are trained. You know or he just wanted to pop a woman in the head which is probably more likely.


Sounds like you're no longer trying to argue that he didn't have a reasonable fear for his life, and instead trying to admit that he was both in reasonable fear and actual danger- but trying to dismiss that by moving the goalposts and saying that shooting drivers trying to run you down isn't an effective response. Which is well, wrong. Thats the training, neutralize the threat. Sounds like he had great aim.
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Jan 7 2026 06:20pm
Sounds like you're no longer trying to argue that he didn't have a reasonable fear for his life, and instead trying to admit that he was both in reasonable fear and actual danger- but trying to dismiss that by moving the goalposts and saying that shooting drivers trying to run you down isn't an effective response. Which is well, wrong. Thats the training, neutralize the threat. Sounds like he had great aim.


No I made that clear I don't believe they did is correct but you're not going to change your tune you never have on anything that involves any authority body.

I'm saying we can probably reasonably agree this officer is quite poorly trained based on their line of actions unless you think it is legitimately intelligent to kill a driver moving forward where you are saying they would be right in her path going at them which is what you are arguing.

I mean I guess I'm no analyst here but seems like there's significantly more life endangering with that move than you know not squaring up.

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Jan 7 2026 06:26pm
ICE has spent the past year arresting people without warrants. A crime.


Well, that's not true.
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Jan 7 2026 06:32pm
Well, that's not true.


I know I robbed the bank, but I am going to need to see a warrant before you can arrest me. :rofl:
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Jan 7 2026 06:35pm
I'm saying we can probably reasonably agree this officer is quite poorly trained based on their line of actions unless you think it is legitimately intelligent to kill a driver moving forward where you are saying they would be right in her path going at them which is what you are arguing.


No because their training tells them to neutralize a deadly threat by shooting that person, and with good reason. Someone who is trying to strike officers while behind the wheel of a vehicle is capable of more damage than just hitting a single officer, the training is to stop the threat immediately so they can't keep racking up a spree like its UT99. The officer recognized something that would be obvious from his vantage: This woman purposefully chose to take a dangerous action that threatened his life. She pointed a deadly weapon at him and 'pulled the trigger'. But for some ice saving ice, he could have been tomato paste.

We go through almost these exact same tired ass arguments in every single officer-involved use of force. I mean I could probably have made a flow chart before anyone said a thing
Inb4 someone says the officer should have just 'shot her in the legs so she couldn't keep accelerating'
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Jan 7 2026 06:38pm
No because their training tells them to neutralize a deadly threat by shooting that person, and with good reason. Someone who is trying to strike officers while behind the wheel of a vehicle is capable of more damage than just hitting a single officer, the training is to stop the threat immediately so they can't keep racking up a spree like its UT99. The officer recognized something that would be obvious from his vantage: This woman purposefully chose to take a dangerous action that threatened his life. She pointed a deadly weapon at him and 'pulled the trigger'. But for some ice saving ice, he could have been tomato paste.

We go through almost these exact same tired ass arguments in every single officer-involved use of force. I mean I could probably have made a flow chart before anyone said a thing
Inb4 someone says the officer should have just 'shot her in the legs so she couldn't keep accelerating'


He made it more of a threat to himself, but again luickly they were already turning. Sounds like some poor training. Increased 10 fold the likleyhood of a person or other officer being injured really. Can't imagine a worse line of action.

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Jan 7 2026 06:41pm
He made it more of a threat to himself, but again luickly they were already turning. Sounds like some poor training.


Looked to me like his 3 gunshots rendered her incapable of using her vehicle as a weapon any further, unless she had the dark magic of hessian ancestry and could channel the spirit of the headless horseman
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Jan 7 2026 06:43pm
Looked to me like his 3 gunshots rendered her incapable of using her vehicle as a weapon any further, unless she had the dark magic of hessian ancestry and could channel the spirit of the headless horseman


Looked to me like he was real lucky she was turning to avoid him and she wasent the murdering rampager you want her to be.
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