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May 20 2025 09:58am
The reason is fairly obvious: due to the circumstances of the moment back in the summer of 2020, Biden had no other choice than to pick a black, female VP - and Kamala was pretty much the only one with the sufficient stature as a sitting senator. So now they were stuck with a VP and heir-apparent who was an awful politician. The calculus was that Biden, as a milquetoast old white man, would not trigger and energize Trump's (in their eyes) racist and sexist base as much and would, with the benefit of incumbency, stand a better chance at winning the 2024 election than her, even if he was at 90 or 80% of his powers.

The hope was that if they streamline the primaries to make sure that nobody calls the emperor out for having no clothes, Biden could limp across the finish line. Past that point, they didn't care anymore, he could drop out in favor of Kamala anytime and she would become POTUS without having to face the voters.

Unfortunately for them, Biden's mental decline began to accelerate around the same time, so that their whole strategy became increasingly untenable. After his disaster debate, the DNC decided to cut their losses and try their luck with Kamala, which was definitely the right move. Yes, she lost, but with her as their standard bearer, they were at least able to reduce the damage and come out of 2024 within striking distance.


Biden was the most electable candidate in 2020. I don’t think that was true, nor that many actually believed it in 2024. Democratic elites were simply too scared to raise the question aloud in the run up to 2024 thinking Biden wouldn’t be convinced to leave and any questioning would weaken him. Which obviously many thought was stupid at the time and with the benefit of hindsight… still stupid.
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May 20 2025 10:03am
your reply is full of contradictions.

but having "redeeming qualities" based off your modern preference in what "good" or "bad" is has no relevance to hell


I am sorry to disappoint you, chances are there is no hell at all and you just stop existing the moment you die. Remember the time before you were born? I expect this is how the time after your death will be to you, meaningless.

You arguing that christians believe that instead of "bad" people being punished in hell unrepented sinners (or even better people not believing in Jesus, kek) are is noted but also does matter very little to me.

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May 20 2025 10:06am
I am sorry to disappoint you, chances are there is no hell at all and you just stop existing the moment you die. Remember the time before you were born? I expect this is how the time after your death will be to you, meaningless.

You arguing that christians believe that instead of "bad" people being punished in hell unrepented sinners (or even better people not believing in Jesus, kek) are is noted but also does matter very little to me.


yet you know how people go to hell and who is in hell

every reply a contradiction
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May 20 2025 10:18am
I am sorry to disappoint you, chances are there is no hell at all and you just stop existing the moment you die. Remember the time before you were born? I expect this is how the time after your death will be to you, meaningless.

You arguing that christians believe that instead of "bad" people being punished in hell unrepented sinners (or even better people not believing in Jesus, kek) are is noted but also does matter very little to me.


You're the one who brought up hell :rolleyes:

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May 20 2025 10:32am
@Goom no clue, is Fred Trump off limits because he is dead? He was clearly a shit person who is rotting in hell if there is one, I suspect even Donnie would agree if he was accidentally honest for a second. So what's your point?


The reaction of the right and especially the Trump family is nothing short of horrifying. You guys need some empathy.


Yesterday The Daily Show ran a segment about youth politics with Jordan Klepper roasting a group of college republicans for inviting Andrew Tate to speak, before withdrawing the invitation. Lambasting them for platforming him. The very next minute he was searching for Democrat streamers to reach the kids and did a fawning interview of.... Hasan Piker. The guy who platformed a Houthi terrorist and praised him for attacking the US and Israel and streamed propaganda videos.

I thought Klepper was going for the liberal double standard award but my good sir I bow before you and the magical lightswitch toggle you have for empathy and civility. To go right from weaponizing Biden's illness as a moral cudgel to anyone showing even the slightest cynicism or doubt, to mocking Trump's dad as burning in hell and hating his son from beyond the grave.
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May 20 2025 10:45am
The reason is fairly obvious: due to the circumstances of the moment back in the summer of 2020, Biden had no other choice than to pick a black, female VP - and Kamala was pretty much the only one with the sufficient stature as a sitting senator. So now they were stuck with a VP and heir-apparent who was an awful politician. The calculus was that Biden, as a milquetoast old white man, would not trigger and energize Trump's (in their eyes) racist and sexist base as much and would, with the benefit of incumbency, stand a better chance at winning the 2024 election than her, even if he was at 90 or 80% of his powers.

The hope was that if they streamline the primaries to make sure that nobody calls the emperor out for having no clothes, Biden could limp across the finish line. Past that point, they didn't care anymore, he could drop out in favor of Kamala anytime and she would become POTUS without having to face the voters.

Unfortunately for them, Biden's mental decline began to accelerate around the same time, so that their whole strategy became increasingly untenable. After his disaster debate, the DNC decided to cut their losses and try their luck with Kamala, which was definitely the right move. Yes, she lost, but with her as their standard bearer, they were at least able to reduce the damage and come out of 2024 within striking distance.


And bear in mind the total hubris and authoritarianism of the political operatives masterminding this. In 2016 the controversy was that they let Hillary have controls over the DNC apparatus like scheduling, mailing lists, fundraising, etc to suppress progressives and stop Bernie at the polls. Notably, trying to influence peoples votes with underhanded tricks. The notable part being they still allowed us to vote. In 2024 we didn't even get that. Joe Biden was forced out of the race against his own will even though he was the man the voters had chosen in 2020 and 2024. Kamala was simply given the ticket by the party's shadowy power brokers, the primaries were a farce and even though they had time to let Biden drop earlier and hold an open primary.

They chose to cut their losses and go with Kamala. They chose to disenfranchise the people and disrespect the very concept of democracy. Its a running theme for the neoliberal world. Romanian just held its third election after overturning 2 where the right wing won, and banning their candidate. Now they can support Ukraine with a pretense of democracy. Germany moves to ban the AfD, France locks out the FN, and every western country tries to imprison their political opposition. Including America, and just 15 months ago the courts were entertaining attempts by democrats to remove Trump from the ballot and Democrats trying to imprison him. Or murder him.

Its a single line drawn between those who call the shots in the party and those who would send us to secret prisons for criticizing them on social media if given power. The consistent thread is their belief that they know better. They knew better than Biden, they knew better than the voting public
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May 20 2025 12:24pm
You're the one who brought up hell :rolleyes:

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For all confused autists, I wanna solve: what is a figure of speech?

For goom: I can at the same time think that Fred Trump is was a terrible person and hold the believe that you are a psychopath if suffering of people makes you happy, it is quite easy actually. If you are happy that Biden has cancer that spread to his bones you are a shitty person, sorry if you see yourself differently.

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May 20 2025 12:38pm
For all confused autists, I wanna solve: what is a figure of speech?

For goom: I can at the same time think that Fred Trump is was a terrible person and hold the believe that you are a psychopath if suffering of people makes you happy, it is quite easy actually. If you are happy that Biden has cancer that spread to his bones you are a shitty person, sorry if you see yourself differently.


Figure of speech for what? There's no such thing as otherworldly accountability for worldly actions, unless you believe there is

I'm more ambivalent, and believe that the cancer *is* a form of divine accountability. It's punishment for him being a shitty person

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May 20 2025 12:57pm
Yesterday The Daily Show ran a segment about youth politics with Jordan Klepper roasting a group of college republicans for inviting Andrew Tate to speak, before withdrawing the invitation. Lambasting them for platforming him. The very next minute he was searching for Democrat streamers to reach the kids and did a fawning interview of.... Hasan Piker. The guy who platformed a Houthi terrorist and praised him for attacking the US and Israel and streamed propaganda videos.

I thought Klepper was going for the liberal double standard award but my good sir I bow before you and the magical lightswitch toggle you have for empathy and civility. To go right from weaponizing Biden's illness as a moral cudgel to anyone showing even the slightest cynicism or doubt, to mocking Trump's dad as burning in hell and hating his son from beyond the grave.


I for one am tickled pink to see Hasan going mainstream. he does a better job at making the left fringe look bad than any right winger personality ever could. when an idiot is animated the best thing to do is let them talk, they'll bury themselves. for too long Hasan and his minions have been able to exist in an insulated pocket while they left the limelight to moderates like Destiny, keep them in the light and the DNC won't win an election outside of Seattle for a decade, or better yet a civil war finally happens in the DNC and forces change.

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May 20 2025 01:07pm
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This post was edited by SkySwallower on May 20 2025 01:08pm
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