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Nov 13 2024 04:58pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Nov 13 2024 06:53pm)
Unless a programmer is young enough to have grown up with an iphone in their cradle they'd know that KLOC was a standard metric for productivity in programming despite, and in full knowledge of how little it meant. Its a shorthand that gives some idea of the scale of a project and its requirements when there's no other reasonable way to quantify it, and google has the internal analytics to come up with numbers like that.


This is probably AI generated code that is helping a developer though, right? Like it will complete a line or a function based on analyzing the existing code in the project. It's not replacing a developer, it's helping a developer.

If a company had an AI product that could replace developers, it would sell that product. To my knowledge, nobody has that. AI simply helps developers write code.

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Nov 13 2024 05:36pm
They're not slashing anything significantly without repealing the Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974. This law put government spending on automated increases and stripped the president of his authority to refuse spending appropriated funds (impoundment).
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Nov 13 2024 05:40pm
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They're not slashing anything significantly without repealing the Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974. This law put government spending on automated increases and stripped the president of his authority to refuse spending appropriated funds (impoundment).


Do you think Trump has any interest in seriously cutting government spending?
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Nov 13 2024 05:52pm
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This is probably AI generated code that is helping a developer though, right? Like it will complete a line or a function based on analyzing the existing code in the project. It's not replacing a developer, it's helping a developer.

If a company had an AI product that could replace developers, it would sell that product. To my knowledge, nobody has that. AI simply helps developers write code.


I mean I just gave you multiple examples, so have others. AI is being used in data analysis, particularly image recognition. Industries are using it for surveying and maintenance, the military is using it to autonomously pilot drones.
A job that used to require a team with a helicopter pilot, cameraman and however many data techs is now being automated by a drone and some AI
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Nov 13 2024 06:23pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Nov 13 2024 07:52pm)
I mean I just gave you multiple examples, so have others. AI is being used in data analysis, particularly image recognition. Industries are using it for surveying and maintenance, the military is using it to autonomously pilot drones.
A job that used to require a team with a helicopter pilot, cameraman and however many data techs is now being automated by a drone and some AI


I asked you some questions related to the Google AI figure and you don't answer. Seems weird.

Ok, we have some uses in the military. I'm left wondering how AI is something that is replacing jobs. And you can't even respond to any critical questions about AI and software development.
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Nov 13 2024 06:30pm
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Over 25% of code at google is already written by AI, what do you think they're doing over there?
The engineers I was partying with for Diwali last week held it at an office of theirs and had their workflow rather garishly on a large poster on the wall and showed just how they're using AI for image mapping during data analysis for commercial missions
You understand the Ukraine war is already being fought with AI on drones, right?


AI will never replace developers. It'll just make their worker faster/more efficient.
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Nov 13 2024 08:10pm


Elon Musk ..... Freaking Win :rofl:




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Nov 14 2024 04:11am
Quote (IceMage @ Nov 13 2024 05:40pm)
Do you think Trump has any interest in seriously cutting government spending?


Lots of people have such interests. Vested interests prevent it from happening.
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Nov 14 2024 07:10am
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I use an AI tool at my job and sometimes it produces useful code that I don't have to write myself. But there's a pretty big difference between something that can help a developer, and something that can replace a developer.


can you name an industry in which helpful tools showed up and most of the workforce was retained long term? i can't.

lumberjacks went from axes to chainsaws, an like that about 3/4 of them weren't needed.

seamstresses got sowing machines, poof 3/4 of the labor pool gone.

farmers got tractors, bought out their neighbors, and farmed 3x more land as people moved to cities.

accountants got quickbooks, and boom less accountants. drafters got cad programs, far less drafters.

if something is helping you moderately today its going to improve and help you significantly tomorrow. in a short time far less of whatever u do is needed in terms of humans. thats one thing about automation that hasnt changed in 200 years.
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Nov 14 2024 09:26am
Cards put most horses out of business too.

This is an AI thread now though. :P
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