You're both entitled to your incorrect opinions heh.

Maybe you're smarter than Dostoevsky and Thomas Aquinas tho, I'll entertain the attempt. Give me a critique on Christianity if you are capable of it.

It's a caste system. The lowest caste is what we in the West would call slaves. Trust that Hindus/Buddhist accept their "role" in society so yes a being like the Dali Llama who is considered the reincarnation of Chenrezig is going to have people bowing at his feet for the duration of his life. They consider being his "slave" an honor because most low caste Hindus WISH they had such a role to be around him.

I don't think you are seeing the bigger picture. Hindus and Buddhist are non-expansionist and like I said argued for a thousand years about "god vs no god" and never were violent. Fast forward to the introduction of the Abrahamic faiths in India and slowly over the course of hundreds of years they "Muslims/Christians" took over through mostly violence.

"Oh they had the power" and they used it to do the opposite of what Jesus himself preached.

We can agree to disagree but the Abrahamic folks are the biggest hypocrites'.

They think religion and "god" started when Jesus was crucified couldn't be further from the truth. Do you think the average person knows that?

I was raised Catholic and did they tell me, "Oh by the way there was this teacher named Siddhartha Guatama who lived 600 years before Christ and said virtually the same things" / "Oh by the way there was this religion called Hinduism that dates back 1,500 years before Christ and they said the same things too just in their own language/symbols".

Me studying chronological history is Satanism to the people in this thread. I better not mention dinosaurs again either. Total ignorance.

The fact of the matter being is the Hindus/Buddhist literally wrote down EVERYTHING EVER MUTTERED BY MAN and then debated each other on it's validity using science/phillosphy/etc.

Any person of the Abrahamic faith reads the "Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda" and they will be shattered to the core. Read some of the foremost names of Buddhist philosophers who debated their Hindu counterparts and you realize that these "people" were so far ahead of their time that they make the modern intellectual savants look silly and make the Abrahamic faiths look like a joke. Why? Because they used logic/science and not "fantasy" to support their arguments.

There are Sanskrit texts that are 2,500 years old that look like they were written by ChatGPT yesterday. The idea that the Indians had the most advanced comprehension of science/literature(Sanskrit is the root human language by the way).

Explain to me how it took the "WHITES" until 1800 AD to figure out some "science" that was written in a Sanskrit scripture 500-1000 BCE.

It's a joke. As a Catholic I could not believe it.

The Hindus/Buddhist scripture makes the Abrahamic scripture look like a joke. Why? Because instead of saying "This is the word of God and it's absolute" they said 'wait a second let's THINK this through". It's why the depth of Eastern philosophy hasn't even been tapped to it's full magic. Less then 5% of Sanskrit has been translated and it happened when Hitler's 3rd reich went to India looking for the "wonder weapon". You read a small amount of Sanskrit and you see that it's an immense travesty that the Abrahmic faiths squandered it with "fancy stories". Stories are nice. Logic though can't be refuted by magical stories.

This post was edited by SwamiVivekananda on Oct 18 2024 10:38am

comparing the scripture to the catholic institution there is not match. even so a catholic can still be a christian.
i am what is called a fundamental, sola scriptura or scripture only.
the first testament the jews were warring with sodomite cultures. in the past few year we have seen what sodomites do when they get the power. like antifa. with sodomites there is no peace. old testament scripture has records of sodomite culture. perhaps the most well know is when all the men came to lots house to "get to know" the angles
if your going to disparage christianity about war and the commission of other crimes i would like to see the scripture that is about that.
now islam is the polar opposite of christianity its not part of the abrahamic faith it is self evident a antichrist system and fulfills prophecy.



assertion fallacy is no argument. provide scripture chapter, verse and version (translation) with a argument for consideration


scripture has warning of this. its called wolves in sheeps clothing.

This post was edited by TiStuff on Oct 18 2024 10:48am

The central element of Christianity that sets it apart from all other religions & proof of why it is the one true faith is very simple - we openly recognize that we are all sinners who deserve death, and that it is a constant struggle to do better, through faith in Him we are saved from rightful damnation

They were slaves. I mean, according to the definition used by the international declaration of human rights. They were not allowed to own property, they were forced to work for food and shelter and punished for trying to leave and their children could be seized without the parents' consent.

Living conditions in Tibet were amid the worst in the entire world under the Dalai Lama with an almost unbelievably bad life expectancy of 35 years, rampant starvation and untreated disease... And he's spent decades pretending to have some sort of moral high ground lol, fuck that guy and anyone who defends him. They are stupid, and stupid people are easily manipulated into doing terrible things.

I 100% stand with people like yourself who love scripture and need nothing else to have absolute faith in Christ. I know many people(friends/family) who fall into this category. It is enough. I know Hindu Christians who are like this.

But to say I'm a heathen/satanist/luciferian like that one guy said to me is pathetic. I struggled to find my faith in Christ because my family weren't "devout Catholics" even though I was baptized/communinued/confirmed into the Catholic church my faith/understanding in God wasn't "fully there". I would say that when your 8 years old to about 14 when you are confirmed it's hard to understand the scripture so I went back and read it all AGAIN to try and better understand it. I've read parts of the Bible 100x over to try and fully grasp it just like I've read parts of the Gita 100x to grasp it.

Me learning to appreciate/understand Christ through Hinduism/Buddhism is not "heresy". It was the means/method I used to have an unwavering faith in Christ. If the average Christian read "Buddhist/Hindu interpretations of the Bible and the word of their Lord and Savior Jesus Christ they would see that Buddhist/Hindus LOVE/APPRECIATE Jesus's teachings in a multitude of different ways.

When I joined and was initiated into the Vivekanada Vedanta Society my Swami never told me to denounce my faith in Christ. Why? I was already a moral/caring human being and fine-tuning that didn't require me to read ANY Eastern scripture. Literally none. He could've said read the Gita, Mahabarata, Upanishads, Vedas, etc. Told me, "No your faith in Christ just needs to be stronger". That's what Vedanta does. It supplements your core belief with means to bolster that faith.

Swami Vivekananda envied the Abrahamic faiths because they were "God-fearing/God-loving" and so they ACTED on their belief. The Eastern philosophies although 1000x the depth in terms of raw scripture the people knew they were "god" so they didn't ACT. They were essentially "spiritually lazy" because of their philosophy.

It's why Swami Vivekananda walked his ass, road trains, and steamboats to get all the way to America to show that the only way for the world to move forward. The people of the East need the FAITH present in the West. The people of the West need the philosophy/logic of the East. Bridging the two together was his only goal. There was no point in being divided when we all worship the same "god" just calling it different names.

Swami Vivekananda brought "Yoga" to America and let me explain the 3 types of Yoga through a Western lens.

Karma Yoga(work)-----Good human being through and through and believe through ACTION alone you come to know God.

Jnana Yoga(knowledge)----Read every scripture known to man and believe that at some point during their "reading" they found God within the scripture and so through KNOWLEDGE come to know God.

Bhakti Yoga(devotion)-----This is your volunteer or Sunday worshipper who just totally surrenders to God and doesn't read much scripture. In constant prayer. Constantly helping every part of the church. Cleaning the church. Food. etc.

Most Hindus lean towards one particular form of "yoga" and so they are told to fine tune it and let it be the means you use to reach God.

I practice Karma Yoga. I am happy to clean the temples floors, bathrooms, maintain the property(landscaping), and basically prefer doing the "little physical things" that make me feel good and connected with Christ. I'm not binge-reading scripture and I'm not burning incense yet for some that is how they do it.

All beings are on a path to realizing God. There is no one not on the path. God means different things to different cultures/religions/philosophy.

The East just gives you many means and methods to try and understand what we all call "God". It's more beneficial then the Abrahamic because if one sect of Buddhism isn't your cup of tea there's 100 others.

That being said you don't need to read any religious scripture to be a good human being and therefore all scripture is supplementary to your own belief.

My only problem with my Abrahamic upbringing is how they belittled all previous Gods to try and project some "supremacy" of their own God. Like I said they claim "exclusive ownership of the truth" which is a fallacy.

You can only know my father through me isn't "Only through me Jesus Christ can you get into Gods abode".

Only through a human being in a human body can you come to know God(through the mind). There is no other way. I won't go into the "ego" and all the complex eastern philosophy because I know you guys haven't read much into it.

You don't understand their culture so I don't blame you for seeing it through a "Western only perspective".

You do realize that Siddhartha Gautama(Buddha) is not the same as the Dali Llama today. The Dali Llama is a reincarnation of a specific Buddhist sect and it's well known teacher Chenrezig who famously said he will reincarnate again and again until human suffering is gone entirely(which we all know can never happen). There is a great reverence to him and that's why people want to be his slave. They think if they help him in this life that maybe they can be born into a higher caste in the next life(brahmin/clergy)

I don't think you understand that most Hindus/Buddhist believe in reincarnation and it's not the "Western crap you come back as a butterfly" it's much deeper. They actually believe their actions here in this life go into the next life.

Just like as a Catholic I don't defend the Pope. I don't defend the Dali Llama either.

If Jesus returned to Earth to reign for a 1,000 years do you think all his followers would just take pictures of him? Shake his hand? No. They would bow at his feet and cry uncontrollably because their "savior" is HERE.

That's how those "slaves" view the Dali Llama. A god incarnate. So yea they do act that way.

It's all so foreign to people who never read a "lick" of Buddhism or Hinduism in their life.

People telling me to read the Gospels again(and I have) but then if I said read the Gita you wouldn't. Totally shows that Christians think their shit don't stink and that every other "scripture" was forged by "Satan".

Yet when you read those scriptures you go, "Wow" "No wonder they don't want people to read this" "It immediately shatters the Abrahamic faith into pieces". In a GOOD way. Until you read that you'll never know but let me tell you when I read all that my relationship with Christ strengthened because I understood that the similarities outnumber the differences 100 to 1.

No person of rational logic should read the "Scripture" they were "born into" and then say "This is the only way". It's beyond ignorant.

Did I bite the apple in the garden of Eden because I read some books from another culture? Come on guys.....

This post was edited by SwamiVivekananda on Oct 18 2024 12:11pm

This is true and is present in Hinduism in a different form. That's all I'm trying to tell you guys.

Christianity and Hinduism are more similar then Christianity and Islam from a philosophical perspective but because Abraham is the father of (Christianity/Judaism/Islam) they are truly lumped together as one.

The whole bickering back and fourth between the 3 about whose prophet is the true prophet or whose god is the real god is essentially the same dialog that happened between Hindus and Buddhist about "God vs no god"(Hindus and Buddhist still debate each other to this day).

Some of the most profound intellectual statements ever made were in debates between the first "followers of Buddha" and the Hindus arguing about the existence of God and all sorts of other mundane things.

That's why Vivekananda tried to tell the Abrahamic body to "get over it" and don't waste your time like Hindus/Buddhist did arguing for 2,500 years about something no one can be right or wrong.

Especially when it's as silly as "My God is the one true God and yours isn't".

You say that to a Buddhist and he'll say, "Ok show me this God". You physically can't.

He'll say , "Ok great your Gods the real one" What are you doing with that? How does that benefit anyone but yourself?

Basically Buddhist make you look like a total idiot by making "statements" "questions" that force you to confront the fantasies you created in your own mind. Ego isn't real. Mind is not real. God is real. Few see it that way.

If someone walked up to you and said "You are God". You'd laugh in their face and be like "I'm not the creator. I'm not". Because YOU/I does not exist. You aren't understanding the question itself and the meaning you give to "God" is biased.

What is actually being said, "You are God experiencing existence through the human body". You are NOT the "creator" but none the less "his/its" creation. There is no separation. That's where Christians/Hindus differ.

I was talking with a Jehovas Witness the other day and he said how "Jehova" is "God almighty" and "Jesus Christ" is his son who died for our sins/salvation. When I said are we not all connected then to Jehovah through are faith in Christ? He couldn't say yes or no because no one ever asked him that question.

Just like none of you will ever here these questions.

I like talking about this subject and I'm not trying to belittle anyone and if you feel that way I am sorry. I am steadfast in my beliefs just like you.

I would love for you guys to quote the Gospel and I can try and find similar passages in the Gita that are in the same realm of reality.

This post was edited by SwamiVivekananda on Oct 18 2024 12:36pm

why is it that, especially for the 'Christians' on this sub, you dont practice what you preach?

Golden Rule can be found in the Bible verses Matthew 7:12 and Luke 6:31: “ So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.”



and whats that?