Quote (gnarjay @ Oct 11 2024 06:15pm)

fighting the byproduct accomplishes nothing because corporate greed, if unchecked, will continue and get worse forever.

its like an obese person fighting type 2 diabetes with only insulin instead of addressing the root cause which is an unhealthy lifestyle. if you only address the symptoms and not the cause, the problem will ALWAYS be there

if you dont fight the corporations and/or government enabling those corporations, youll never get rid of the capitalist thirst for cheap immigrant labor. there will always been more immigrants fighting for those jobs even if you try to deport/incarcerate the current ones
corporations do not back off unless they are severely punished. this is something conservatives maybe dont understand or just dont want to understand. corporations do not possess any moral virtue and will never do whats "right", they will deliver to their shareholders
you might be libertarian if you really believe that businesses will just "behave". libertarians and Marxists never seem to take human nature into account and i dont know why. humans are greedy , corporations are built on greed

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Oct 11 2024 05:27pm)

If you help all these people, what next ? What about your own fellow countryman.

That dude that is struggling living in his beat up car through winter ?
The family next door that is living on food stamps because their dad got into a serious accident and is being incapacitated ?

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Oct 11 2024 05:27pm)

You are rich , but you do not have infinite amount of money, wars cost money, getting migrants in cost taxpayer dollars , unless these migrants are filthy rich or they can assimilate and integrate and become a pillar of society.

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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Oct 11 2024 06:21pm)

So how are you going to fight government or corporate. You vote ? :lol:
Civil Disobedience ? :lol:
The last time you did that on wall street, they sprinkle identity politics all over your livelihood. :lol:

Support Democrats ? These corporations are their biggest donors.
Support Republicans ? They go on trade wars and corporate is also their biggest donors.

You might hate Trump, might he has that tiny outside chance to change things around at least for some time while you guys figure out what can be done. But to be it is futile as well. But he has that tiny tiny chance which is good enough.

Quote (El1te @ 12 Oct 2024 09:27)

I agree with this

"Fighting" can mean different things to people, the best way to "fight" is do what we're doing and talk about it, raise awareness, move towards creating a consensus against corporate anti-citizen practices and government corruption

We do have laws on the books to reign in bad actors corporations, but if the government is in bed with them it doesn't matter. I am in favour of stronger state control over corporations (Both far right libertarians and far left libertarians hate this) because you're right, without an authority over them corporations will always act to maximize their profits which means: exploiting cheap labour from immigrants and paying people as little as possible, and charging people as much as possible using anti-consumer monopolistic practices.

And I guess just boycotting is a good way to fight, but this requires people to be both aware and also willing to sacrifice a bit of comfort

Corps are made up of people, if the management of a Corp exploits labour then round em up and send them to the camps

Quote (El1te @ 12 Oct 2024 09:31)

In America the voterbase has to put pressure on the party, for the Republican party this was done successfully, it's Trump's party now thanks to no one but the citizens. Trump drove all the rats out, while many other rats bent the knee. The people need to stay aware and keep holding people to account

Quote (gnarjay @ 12 Oct 2024 09:30)

who said anything about not helping your countrymen? obviously they should be a priority, everyone should be helped if the can be. help is not mutually exclusive, its not a zero sum game






Now we are cooking! We can afford it! Do you know how many trillions of dollars the U.S. wasted in the Middle East? Do you know how much money we've sent to Ukraine and Israel? Do you know how low the corporate tax rate is here compared to where it was at the country's peak?

We could have solved homelessness and poverty, paid for healthcare for everyone, forgiven student debt, given actual help to veterans and done a hundred more things if we hadn’t wasted money on wars and given corporations massive tax cuts.

Corporations have sold Americans out. It's not a red vs. blue or Democrat vs. Republican problem; it's beyond that. Nearly everyone in politics is actually a lobbyist for some number of industries with an agenda, and most of them would rather us all blame immigrants than hold politicians OR corporations accountable.

Quote (gnarjay @ Oct 11 2024 09:30pm)

who said anything about not helping your countrymen? obviously they should be a priority, everyone should be helped if the can be. help is not mutually exclusive, its not a zero sum game






Now we are cooking! We can afford it! Do you know how many trillions of dollars the U.S. wasted in the Middle East? Do you know how much money we've sent to Ukraine and Israel? Do you know how low the corporate tax rate is here compared to where it was at the country's peak?

We could have solved homelessness and poverty, paid for healthcare for everyone, forgiven student debt, given actual help to veterans and done a hundred more things if we hadn’t wasted money on wars and given corporations massive tax cuts.

Corporations have sold Americans out. It's not a red vs. blue or Democrat vs. Republican problem; it's beyond that. Nearly everyone in politics is actually a lobbyist for some number of industries with an agenda, and most of them would rather us all blame immigrants than hold politicians OR corporations accountable.

Quote (iLoveMyUsername @ Oct 11 2024 06:39pm)

Instead your tax $ is used to fund Ukraine/Israel and host migrants in your own country.

Fun eh?

Now go back to work maggot and give us your $

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Oct 11 2024 06:34pm)

They are too in bed with one another to allow this to happen.
In the international arena if you don't toe the US line, you will get regime changed or smear to the heavens and back, sanctioned etc etc.

Domestically if you don't toe the line of certain establishment and institution , your livelihood will be in danger especially if you are vocal about it and being an activist. Sooner or later they come come to you.
That's what I see. I have been seeing this since 2007 after the Lehman Brother's collapse.

Quote (El1te @ Oct 11 2024 06:44pm)

I think in reality, the only solution is a benevolent dictator or military junta

Quote (gnarjay @ Oct 11 2024 09:49pm)

i will tell you a secret. i thought it was hilarious when trump beat hilldawg and i had a tiny hope that he would really shake the political sphere up but he turned out to be a slimy worm himself
after he disgraced the office of presidency with uncouth behavior it wasnt so funny to me anymore. now he's made it clear he wants to be a dictator and im not with that shit