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Sep 21 2024 11:29am
Quote (Pyrotechx @ 24 Aug 2024 21:28)
We tried to address it. They even had a bipartisan border bill ready to go.

Guess why it didn't pass? The republican cult leader aka trump, demanded it be shot down so it didn't make dems look good. Republicans bent the knee, kissed the ring, and shot it down... their own bipartisan bill.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-republicans-block-border-security-bill-campaign-border-chaos-rcna153607

That was easy.


I wonder if this guy knows how mentally stunted he is
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Sep 21 2024 12:24pm
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He's just trying to appear moderate to garner more support and pitch Reform as a credible alternative to the Conservatives.


Seems like such a failing strategy to me, like why even call yourself Reform if you don't want to reform and just be a slightly different conservative party. I wouldn't see any incentive to vote Reform instead of Conservative given that it splits the vote. Here in Canada the PPC protest vote was successful in getting the Conservative party to shape up and stop being milquetoast losers

Donald Trump reformed the US conservative party by being bold and unapologetic about necessary reforms
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Sep 21 2024 05:32pm
Quote (El1te @ 21 Sep 2024 20:24)
Seems like such a failing strategy to me, like why even call yourself Reform if you don't want to reform and just be a slightly different conservative party. I wouldn't see any incentive to vote Reform instead of Conservative given that it splits the vote. Here in Canada the PPC protest vote was successful in getting the Conservative party to shape up and stop being milquetoast losers

Donald Trump reformed the US conservative party by being bold and unapologetic about necessary reforms


The situation in the UK is so far gone that it's probably no longer feasible in terms of the numbers game to execute forced mass deportations. When something like 40% of a country's under-30 population are migrants, including in the police and the military, and they threaten to go into full-blown riot to stop the deportations, what is the state supposed to do? Accept chaos and mayhem to the levels of civil war?

Such a crackdown is only feasible while the population share of the migrants among the fighting-age male population is still lower, or if there is overwhelming support and consensus among the native population in favor of such a crackdown, whatever it takes. Politically speaking, such a course can't be stuck out if the preceding election only saw weak majority support for anti-immigration policies, say 55% for the anti-immigration parties or something along those lines. Particularly since most of the media will be in the tank of the pro-migration forces until the bitter end.

So the best one can hope for in a country like the UK is a stop to the inflow, plus targeted deportations of those sentenced for violent crime or felonies.



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There is also a key difference between Canada and the UK: in Canada, the Liberals have been in power for the past decade, so the political environment was always gonna turn against them eventually. In the UK, by contrast, it were the conservatives who were in power for the past decade and the lefty government only came to power a few months ago. In the UK, the time is simply not ripe yet for public sentiment to turn profoundly against the government.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Sep 21 2024 05:36pm
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