https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

The piece of shit far right nationalist Israeli governement is spreading the seeds of war in the area since decades.
The link above cleary expose their very intimate goals.

The Lavon affair was a failed Israeli covert operation, codenamed Operation Susannah, conducted in Egypt in the summer of 1954. As part of a false flag operation,[1] a group of Egyptian Jews were recruited by Israeli military intelligence to plant bombs inside Egyptian-, American-, and British-owned civilian targets: cinemas, libraries, and American educational centers.

How anything from what you write relates to the topic ?
Show me one country that doesn’t do shady sh*t
You radical lefties aren’t from this planet lol. Why btw, you didn’t quote the “after closing time” phrase ? Doesn’t fit your narrative ?

Why do we keep investing into luxury like NASA or broadband internet while there are starving Americans? Why do we increase teacher's pay while there are starving Americans? Why do we invest in roads and bridges while there are starving Americans?

The "would someone think of the starving Americans"-argument only serves to elicit an emotional response by postulating a false binary. There is plenty of reason to question the priorities in US spending, and it's also perfectly valid to question whether the spending on Israel's defense does provide adequate return on investment. But I, for my part, am not interested in having this discussion under a false premise.




Israel is armed to the teeth and has a long track record of fending off attacks by their Arab neighbors, who unsuccessfully teamed up on them on multiple occasions. If the entire Middle East gets into a blood frenzy and goes full zergling on Israel, they could probably overrun them with sheer numbers, but millions of them would die in the process and normal humans just aren't wired that way.

Also, it would absolutely be Israel which does most of the fighting if shit hits the fan. The US would mostly sit back on their carriers and support them from the air and sea. With how unpopular boots-on-the-ground operations have become since the Iraq War, the only scenario in which the US would perhaps still deploy a lot of them is if the governments of SA and the Gulf monarchies get toppled by hostile forces and someone has to go in and secure the oil fields of the ME from being seized by islamists or the Chinese.

Israel is in fact shouldering most of the cost of its security, be it in direct defense spending or indirectly in the form of a long and universal military service which decreases Israel's labor force potential.

Lol. Sure. Let's just rotate between "the Jews are evil" to "akshully I'm just America first worried about our foreign policy towards Israel".

They are significantly better than the alternatives in the region: Assad, the Mullahs in Teheran, Hamas, Hezbollah, ISIS, Erdogan, Egypt which is oscillates between the Muslim Brotherhood and a brutal military dictatorship, and so on and forth.

At the end of the day, Israel is the only pluralistic democracy in the entire region, the only place with freedom of speech, rights for minorities and a strong political opposition. The only place where gay people have a chance to go out and about without having to categorically fear for their safety, the only place where demonstrations against the government are legal and don't have to fear immediate crackdown. And Israel is also the only country in the region with a thriving, diversified economy, cutting-edge research and no unhealthy dependence on the oil and tourism sectors.

Israel is far from perfect, for example, I really dislike their continued land grabs in the West Bank. That's an issue on which their Western partners should really clamp down once the Gaza War is over. Still: economically and socially, the rest of the region is a barren wasteland and by comparison, Israel comes across like a shining beacon.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 4 2024 07:55am

If you want to have stupid, naive, America first foreign policy views without being anti-Semitic, it's possible. Look at Goomshill or ofthevoid.

ISIS ? Wtf

Congratulations for not only time travel, but also alternate realities exploration. This is pretty strong to certify that without Israel the middle east would like... Well like ISIS ? Let's push it to the max. "yeah"

I wasn't referring to ISIS in particular, I was referring to the concept that some kind of radical islamist militia which will emerge and exploit any power vacuum which presents itself.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 4 2024 08:05am

In the 1900-1930's in most of western countries women didnt have the right to vote and were veiled in public most of the time, curious what would happen if some others countries, well organized and with superior military power, would have constantly kept us from evolving, triggering coups, or whatever other interferences to put us down.
Not that I'm praising Islam, on the contrary, but Israel has absolutely no merit in anything. Yet it is very clearly, rightfully, accused of war crimes. Maybe they aren't the only one who finally brought more problems than solutions... "yeah"

So i will temper down time/reality travel allowing to say things likes "At the end of the day" & "They are significantly better than the alternatives in the region"

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Jul 4 2024 08:36am