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Jan 27 2024 02:31pm
Quote (gnarjay @ 27 Jan 2024 15:30)
dragging your victim's name in the press after a judge already told you not to can be pretty expensive if youre a billionaire. all he has to do is shut the fuck up but he cant even do that, what does that tell you about his character? he'd rather lose 83 million than close his hog maw lol
its not like Carroll is the only victim either, Trump publicly bragged about grabbing vaginasand has had legal disputes with porn star prostitutes. this whole thing is par for the course




If you can provide proof of him specifically doing this in the public with the intent of being heard by people outside of his conversation I might actually think you have something worth saying.



Just this avatar alone is enough to show that your online identity is focused around your hate or dislike of Trump.... Why should I take you seriously?

This post was edited by Ryvulet on Jan 27 2024 02:34pm
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Jan 27 2024 02:38pm
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If you can provide proof of him specifically doing this in the public with the intent of being heard by people outside of his conversation I might actually think you have something worth saying.

https://i.ibb.co/YpghyDB/Screenshot-2024-01-27-153209.png

Just this avatar alone is enough to show that your online identity is focused around your hate or dislike of Trump.... Why should I take you seriously?


whether or not he intended for what he said to be leaked is completely irrelevant, he said it in that specific context and didnt mince his words. why cant you accept that hes a fucking creep? your lot call Biden a lot of dirty names when Trump is the exact kind of person y'all claim to hate. make it make sense!

my profile picture is nothing more than a tool to get a rise out of people like you. clearly it works :)
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Jan 27 2024 02:41pm
Quote (gnarjay @ 27 Jan 2024 15:38)
whether or not he intended for what he said to be leaked is completely irrelevant, he said it in that specific context and didnt mince his words. why cant you accept that hes a fucking creep? your lot call Biden a lot of dirty names when Trump is the exact kind of person y'all claim to hate. make it make sense!

my profile picture is nothing more than a tool to get a rise out of people like you. clearly it works :)


Difference between Biden and Trump is that Trump did things with consenting woman, despite the failed evidence they continuously brought forth to try to get money from him... sure, not a good human. But even in recent videos you can see he has changed and has a different air about him. Losing last election humbled him somewhat and I feel that he does want to devote some of his last lucid years to the states that he feels he may have some responsibility for now since his last presidency. I am a believer of a theory that he never actually expected to have a chance and just rolled with it.

Biden himself reeks as a predator of corruption. I don't think theres so many images of him being near children and doing weird things like bringing his face over them from behind and cupping their mouths for no reason.
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Jan 27 2024 02:44pm
Quote (Ryvulet @ Jan 27 2024 12:41pm)
Difference between Biden and Trump is that Trump did things with consenting woman, despite the failed evidence they continuously brought forth to try to get money from him... sure, not a good human. But even in recent videos you can see he has changed and has a different air about him. Losing last election humbled him somewhat and I feel that he does want to devote some of his last lucid years to the states that he feels he may have some responsibility for now since his last presidency. I am a believer of a theory that he never actually expected to have a chance and just rolled with it.

Biden himself reeks as a predator of corruption. I don't think theres so many images of him being near children and doing weird things like bringing his face over them from behind and cupping their mouths for no reason.


brother, he just lost a case where it wasnt consensual. are you paying any attention at all?
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Jan 27 2024 02:44pm
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brother, he just lost a case where it wasnt consensual. are you paying any attention at all?


No, he just lost a case where he was charged with defamation... Not sexual assault.
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Jan 27 2024 03:21pm
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No, he just lost a case where he was charged with defamation... Not sexual assault.


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Jan 27 2024 03:23pm
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Tbf that wasn't what this recent one was about, merely defamation.

But realistically nobody believes that Trump sexually assaulted the woman. If there was true evidence, he would never be able to run for presidency. The fact that they haven't played out or shown real reliable evidence to elimate a political opponent is clear enough that this is pretty much a fake ruling.
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Jan 27 2024 03:46pm
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Tbf that wasn't what this recent one was about, merely defamation.

But realistically nobody believes that Trump sexually assaulted the woman. If there was true evidence, he would never be able to run for presidency. The fact that they haven't played out or shown real reliable evidence to elimate a political opponent is clear enough that this is pretty much a fake ruling.


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Jan 27 2024 03:51pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ 27 Jan 2024 20:50)
Yes, the goal of a jury isn't to find a perfect candidate. It's to find people who can be fair.

The woman you describe and then fabricated statistics about likely has social media to be looked at and such.

It's not a fabrication that black women voted against Trump by a 4 vs 94% and 9 vs 90% margin in 2016 and 2020, respectively.

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It is not sufficient nor should it be expected that jurors be a perfectly neutral demographic. They are individuals

Of course jurors will not be a perfectly neutral demographic - but with how geographically polarized the US population has become, any random selection of individuals from deep blue or deep red territory will still maintain a strong partisan bias even after the lawyers picked off the worst ones with their limited number of peremptory challenges. You will not get a balanced jury in a place like NYC or DC, just like you will not get a truly neutral jury in the trial of a white cop who murdered a black teenager in Bumfuck, Alabama. Which brings me to my last point:

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And I know you don't actually believe what you're claiming here because these issues are common to all cases and aren't brought up as evidence against the jury process.

In the overwhelming majority of cases, the jurors don't know the defendant and don't have a strong, pre-existing opinion on him. In an even more overwhelming majority of cases, the outcome of the trial will not have any ramifications for the partisan balance or the future direction of the country. Trump is really unique in this regard since he not only has universal name recognition, but also happens to be the most polarizing figure in recent American history. In the case of Trump, expecting the jurors to set aside their personal feelings and rule strictly on the merits of the case is a lot tougher since people feel much more strongly about Trump (one way or the other) than about pretty much any other defendant.
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Jan 27 2024 04:14pm
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It's not a fabrication that black women voted against Trump by a 4 vs 94% and 9 vs 90% margin in 2016 and 2020, respectively.

Of course jurors will not be a perfectly neutral demographic - but with how geographically polarized the US population has become, any random selection of individuals from deep blue or deep red territory will still maintain a strong partisan bias even after the lawyers picked off the worst ones with their limited number of peremptory challenges. You will not get a balanced jury in a place like NYC or DC, just like you will not get a truly neutral jury in the trial of a white cop who murdered a black teenager in Bumfuck, Alabama. Which brings me to my last point:

In the overwhelming majority of cases, the jurors don't know the defendant and don't have a strong, pre-existing opinion on him. In an even more overwhelming majority of cases, the outcome of the trial will not have any ramifications for the partisan balance or the future direction of the country. Trump is really unique in this regard since he not only has universal name recognition, but also happens to be the most polarizing figure in recent American history. In the case of Trump, expecting the jurors to set aside their personal feelings and rule strictly on the merits of the case is a lot tougher since people feel much more strongly about Trump (one way or the other) than about pretty much any other defendant.


You are applying your own experience, where you follow politics and have strong opinions. The average person doesn't pay any attention to politics. Even the average voter doesn't pay that close attention or have particularly strong feelings. Even in deep blue places it's pretty easy to find ambivalent people and even strong Trump supporters.

A rich white guy with millions of dollars to pay his lawyers with is not getting the short end of the stick in our legal system. In fact, the legal system has at every step bent over backwards to ensure Trump got treated far better than the average person, this case was no exception.

Our system is adversarial. Trump's lawyers get the opportunity to exempt jurors, but otherwise have to prove bias. If they can't, that's on them. The system works extremely well for rich people, and there's no argument that jury selection went wrong when you are throwing millions of dollars at your lawyers and have sophisticated council at your disposal.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Jan 27 2024 04:15pm
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