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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Jan 22 2024 02:18pm)
I would agree. An actual deterrent is necessary. A wall is not a deterrent however, its merely an obstacle.


It is entirely an irrational comparison. You just can't argue a point in a vacuum where geography doesn't exist and expect to be taken seriously.

Some of what your saying I agree with. I genuinely believe building any sort of effective "wall" across 1900 miles of terrain including hundreds of miles of desert is an attempt at a one dimensional solution to a multi dimensional problem.
A wall might make you feel safer. But people are getting over a wall dude. Thousands of people have crossed the DMZ in Korea, the Berlin wall and since your so adamant on brining up Israel, you do realise not long ago a bunch of goons on mopeds got through the Israeli border.

Focus on the points you otherwise raised, ploughing money into a wall is laughable.


It's realistic for a country of 10 million to cover 600miles of borders but it's unrealistic for a country of 350 to cover 1900 miles. It's basic math, why wouldn't a country 35x in population be able to cover this? Are you saying 50 billion is prohibitable expensive or what exactly?

I mean I was clear, that it would be in concert with other things.
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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 22 Jan 2024 20:18)
I would agree. An actual deterrent is necessary. A wall is not a deterrent however, its merely an obstacle.


Walls are a deterrent insofar as they change the calculus. The more difficult it is to come to the US and the less likely it is to stay there once you've made it, the less likely you will be to attempt it. But yes, like void already said, the main purpose of a wall is to reduce the amount of people who can come through to a manageable level, one where instant deportation is possible.
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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Jan 22 2024 12:18pm)
I would agree. An actual deterrent is necessary. A wall is not a deterrent however, its merely an obstacle.





It is entirely an irrational comparison. You just can't argue a point in a vacuum where geography doesn't exist and expect to be taken seriously.

Some of what your saying I agree with. I genuinely believe building any sort of effective "wall" across 1900 miles of terrain including hundreds of miles of desert is an attempt at a one dimensional solution to a multi dimensional problem.
A wall might make you feel safer. But people are getting over a wall dude. Thousands of people have crossed the DMZ in Korea, the Berlin wall and since your so adamant on brining up Israel, you do realise not long ago a bunch of goons on mopeds got through the Israeli border.

Focus on the points you otherwise raised, ploughing money into a wall is laughable.


Israel also is not walled off, there's only walls in high risk areas. The vast majority of the country uses fences. Infrastructure has always been easier in small dense pockets.

I am not sure why infrastructure here is thought to be some liner equation to population.

I think eventually we will see vastly more weaponized drones patrolling, auto-piloted, docked at charging stations utilizing various forms of energy. It wont be, kill on site, but maybe some type of sedative, drones will alert where and humans might still respond. This is down the road, but I think ultimately its the direction it will go.

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Send em back to where they came from, get better border control
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Israel also is not walled off, there's only walls in high risk areas. The vast majority of the country uses fences. Infrastructure has always been easier in small dense pockets.

I am not sure why infrastructure here is thought to be some liner equation to population.

I think eventually we will see vastly more weaponized drones patrolling, auto-piloted, docked at charging stations utilizing various forms of energy. It wont be, kill on site, but maybe some type of sedative, drones will alert where and humans might still respond. This is down the road, but I think ultimately its the direction it will go.


Yes, I think a technological application is required. Whether its an adaption of existing tech or future tech.

I don't understand this obsession with a wall. For example the English Channel is the busiest shipping lane on the planet, the water is extremely volatile and about 9 degrees Celsius.
If your able to tread water you have about 2 hours to live in those conditions.
And yet migrants are still boarding glorified pool floating to attempt the crossing.

People will find a way. These are motivated people with nothing yo lose.
Does anyone actually believe that a person who just crossed Colombian rainforest, the Darien gap and the entirety of Central America on foot is going to be detered by wall?

Come on now.

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Wonder what Texas will do with temporary SCOTUS ruling about removing razer wire.
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Quote (RedFromWinter @ Jan 22 2024 02:28pm)
Wonder what Texas will do with temporary SCOTUS ruling about removing razer wire.


my money is on Abbot ignoring it to play to his mongoloid base/fire up the MAGAts
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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Jan 22 2024 04:04pm)
Yes, I think a technological application is required. Whether its an adaption of existing tech or future tech.

I don't understand this obsession with a wall. For example the English Channel is the busiest shipping lane on the planet, the water is extremely volatile and about 9 degrees Celsius.
If your able to tread water you have about 2 hours to live in those conditions.
And yet migrants are still boarding glorified pool floating to attempt the crossing.

People will find a way. These are motivated people with nothing yo lose.
Does anyone actually believe that a person who just crossed Colombian rainforest, the Darien gap and the entirety of Central America on foot is going to be detered by wall?

Come on now.


As I said, there are several studies which demonstrate exactly that.

To quote the DHS...

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Deploying the wall system in high priority areas—particularly urban areas where illegal border crossers can quickly vanish into the surrounding community—allows the USBP to decide where border crossings take place, not smugglers, and the USBP can deploy personnel and technology in complement to the border barrier.


The West Bank barrier is some 400 miles long. Our resources are astronomically greater. You don't need to have a massive concrete version of Hadrian's wall across every desert in the South-West, but you can have hundreds of miles of walls funneling illegal crossings to where you want them to go.

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my money is on Abbot ignoring it to play to his mongoloid base/fire up the MAGAts


I'd like to see moats built and Florida supply the gaters
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Jan 23 2024 10:23am
Site lacks moderation, careful with your satire

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