Quote (Thebarba @ Dec 19 2023 11:44pm)

Actually what happened was a massive-scale campaign by the Democrat party to successfully cheat in swing states resulting in once-in-a-millennium statistical anomalies that perfectly handed the election to a thousand year old mummy with crippling dementia, and because there is no referee, the cheat went through and the win was legit. Then federal law enforcement entrapped a bunch of boomer grandmas who went on a walking tour of the capitol and got the book thrown at them by an administrative state hostile to American citizens and loyal to foreign and corporate special interests, and programmable NPCs like yourself support them every step of the way.

Quote (Goomshill @ Dec 19 2023 11:52pm)

What happened is Trump was steamrolling his way to an overwhelming reelection when a pandemic blindsided him, and Democrats immediately recognized it was their only chance to win and forced the lockdown measures because the president will take the hit no matter who is responsible, a simple rule of democracy in bad times. They pushed vote by mail knowing it favors them, they discouraged people from voting in person. Even though Trump handled the pandemic sensibly by opposing excessive lockdowns and supporting an all-out vaccine blitz, he shot himself in the foot by stupidly discouraging his own supporters from voting by mail. All that added up to just enough to push Biden over the line. It didn't take voter fraud, it took an act of god and an act of dumbass. And fittingly, a bunch of dumbass chuds showed up to the capitol with the intent to protest and shout their discontent, and then were mystified and surprised when they were able to waltz into the building and force their way through a police presence that stood down and let them pass. Like a dog chasing a car, they had no idea what to do when they got in there, took some selfies and marched back out. Deaths and injuries came from both the piss poor crowd management as a crush of people poured into small bottlenecks, and an overreaction from a trigger happy cop shooting some nonthreatening unarmed woman who posed less immediate threat to the senate than his own bullets. Eventually the admonishments from Trump himself proved pivotal in getting the crowd to disperse, he accomplished what all the finger wagging by Nancy Pelosi never could. And then followed years of Democrats gleefully seizing on it to lock up political protesters for their overeager attempt to petition their government for redress, persecuting them and throwing the book at them and lying blatantly about it on loop on NPR.

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Quote (Plaguefear @ Dec 19 2023 10:16pm)

We watched very different footage.

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Quote (Goomshill @ Dec 20 2023 09:52am)

Bear in mind the Colorado ruling doesn't just rule Trump ineligible to be on the Colorado ballot, it determines that Trump is ineligible to hold the office of presidency, which means that were he elected in spite of this decision, or even with the supreme court overturning it for a non-substantive reason, the Colorado supreme court has effectively ruled that the state cannot recognize Trump as the lawful president. As such, the court is all too ironically, albeit indirectly and not yet in effect, engaged in insurrection and rebellion against the government of the united states. Should that come to pass, Colorado would have to wrestle with its highest state court declaring the federal election null and void on the basis of accused insurrection, thereby putting Colorado into a state of de facto insurrection.

I mean this just follows naturally. The first person to cast a stone is the one committing the sin, even if they did so because they falsely accuse someone else of sinning. Colorado wants to declare the president illegitimate and decertify the election a priori, accusing him of decertifying the election, no matter that he didn't.

Quote (ferdia @ Dec 20 2023 06:40am)

As I understand it, Trump will appeal, and he is likely to win the appeal. is this false or what is your view on this ?

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Rather than doomsay or give apocalyptic warnings of civil war, lets be clear. The most likely outcome right now is this decision goes to John Roberts desk and SCOTUS promptly shits all over colorado and tells them to fuck off and we go back to status quo and the election goes on.

Quote (Goomshill @ Dec 20 2023 12:41am)

I'd call it a democratic republic, where everyone agreed to abide by the formal rules and accepted the result. Because just in: Even when Trump lost, he accepted the result, no matter how much democrats want to pretend otherwise. He left office, the end. Even Obama made more of a fuss on his way out of the door, and used the interim time to set up a spying program on his successor.
The electoral college is the system the states all agreed to, and it exists because our republic was set up to respect minority states and minority parties instead of letting a direct democracy trample on them. As long as everyone agrees to the rules and plays by them and the victor is chosen fairly, our democracy works.


As soon as democrats try to destroy that system by barring Trump from the ballot, or locking him up, how do you think this ends?
That's the simple question that has the most relevance here: What is the next step? How does this end?
Rather than doomsay or give apocalyptic warnings of civil war, lets be clear. The most likely outcome right now is this decision goes to John Roberts desk and SCOTUS promptly shits all over colorado and tells them to fuck off and we go back to status quo and the election goes on. But democrats keep pushing. What happens if Georgia democrats decide to issue an arrest warrant for Trump? What happens if a democrat secretary of state refuses to allow Trump on a ballot, scotus be damned? What if they try to drag out the litigation and appeals through the election enough to muddle and interfere with it? What if scotus doesn't actually do its job, or do it swiftly enough? These are very real risks, and then we have to ask how that scenario plays out. Say Trump is removed from the ballot in several (D) states and the election is still pending. Republicans wouldn't just cry foul at that point, they would react. Texas, or Florida, might pass an emergency bill to declare they will not recognize the results of an election where the major party candidates are barred from running. Even without a formal law, people wouldn't recognize the elections as legitimate either way. If Trump somehow wins in a landslide we might brush over the whole stupid affair, but assuming he loses, whether by a hair or a mile, it still would be the end of the democratic process at a federal level in the USA. You can't have a democracy where people don't agree to abide by votes, don't agree to follow the rules and don't accept the results.
That's a major destabilization. A proximate spark for chaos. Nobody can predict exactly how it would shake out. Like hurling a bomb into a fireworks factory, you're going to fuck some shit up, but do you really know how bad it will be, or how many will die, or what will be left standing? I'd predict the balkanization of the US and split between states at a minimum