Quote (SwamiVivekananda @ Nov 15 2023 11:33am)

I wasn't disagreeing that organized religion is "a" bane on humanity/existence but it is not the only factor clearly.

Science on the other hand has developed nuclear weapons tested and deployed that have done irreversible damage to our planet.

Science developed nuclear power plants then put them near oceans for the convenience of "cooling" only to have an earthquake on a known "fault line" send "Fukushima" into critical and that's still leaking into the Pacific Ocean. They actually just "ok'd" the releasing of all this radioactive water much to the displeasure of the locals around there and countries abroad.

Science will be what put's the collective "nails in the coffin" so to speak. Religion doesn't have the capacity to unknowingly destroy an aspect of this planet's life support system. Science does.

So yea organized religion sucks but science is the real reaper imo

Quote (majorblood @ Nov 15 2023 12:34pm)

we absolutely do need energy to survive, billions would die without it. is it possible for humans to exist in a primitive form without any technology/energy, etc? yes obviously, but life would be far worse for humans without it and therefore it is a good thing that the hoover dam, fracking, and other methods of generating energy exist.


nature is conquered by humans, kinda does serve us in that sense

never said some type of balance isn't necessary to facilitate life on earth for humans, just saying my primary focus is the betterment of life on earth for humans. I don't care about the "planet's health" unless that affects humans, and honestly I prefer certain humans more than others anyway i.e. i'm not taking refugees in my home because I do not value everyone equally. I value myself and my family above others, then close friends, community, etc and the further you are from me I value you less and less

Quote (SwamiVivekananda @ Nov 15 2023 09:36am)

Not what I said either. I am religious by the way I just don't ascribe to "one book" like you do.

You can be fully devoted to Jesus Christ and still read Eastern philosophy/schools of thought and see the connections.

Vedanta isn't an "organized religion" it's a philosophy there's a difference.

Quote (majorblood @ 15 Nov 2023 11:34)

we absolutely do need energy to survive, billions would die without it. is it possible for humans to exist in a primitive form without any technology/energy, etc? yes obviously, but life would be far worse for humans without it and therefore it is a good thing that the hoover dam, fracking, and other methods of generating energy exist.


nature is conquered by humans, kinda does serve us in that sense

never said some type of balance isn't necessary to facilitate life on earth for humans, just saying my primary focus is the betterment of life on earth for humans. I don't care about the "planet's health" unless that affects humans, and honestly I prefer certain humans more than others anyway i.e. i'm not taking refugees in my home because I do not value everyone equally. I value myself and my family above others, then close friends, community, etc and the further you are from me I value you less and less

Quote (SwamiVivekananda @ Nov 15 2023 09:38am)

Makes sense that's how you'd see it.

Quote (majorblood @ Nov 15 2023 12:39pm)

sure does

Quote (C4NTWO @ Nov 15 2023 09:40am)

i just dont see how you can thing the betterment of life on earth for humans, doesnt require a healthy earth...

Quote (YeeHaw @ Nov 15 2023 11:41am)

Organized religion is why we live in such a wealthy privileged world where we can sit on our asses and argue about our rulers on the internet.

So sure, I can see bane of humanity in that sense.

Quote (majorblood @ Nov 15 2023 12:41pm)

when did I ever say that