The thing about trying to turn people and get incriminating statements is that unless there's an underlying criminal action, something they can specifically point to- its all a house of cards. Dominion can sue for defamation, democrats can cry foul, but most people don't give a shit about spurious accusations. Centrists who could be swayed, or turnout mobilization on either side, aren't going to be affected by Democrats debunking the election fraud claims, because people truly don't give a shit. Popular attention spans are short enough already and people are burned out on Trump, and its been a decade since he harped on about Obama's birth certificate, anyone who would be swayed by exposing him as wrong, is long since decided. Its the killing blow that matters. Politics has long been an arena where a single photograph or video or document can sink a career, and its clear democrats were trying very very hard to dig up something tangible on Trump. And came short, on Russia, on Ukraine, on his finances, on Elections. Like Trump claiming specific officials were corrupt or lying or buying evidence, until you can actually find that evidence, its just a windbag blowing away. And that's the thing, no matter how many people talk and how many statements are taken and even wiretapping and spying on the guy, the most concrete example produced is 'Trump waving around a classified document to demonstrate how wrong Mark Milley was'. Trump dug and dug into the elections and lord knows he had nothing better than a Pillow salesman blathering vaguely about mail-in ballots.
Trump never produced the smoking gun and neither did democrats, but here we are anyway.

Now democrats might be happy angling for kicking up just enough cloud of dirt and suspicion that they can hope it tars Trump enough to allow him to proceed, but dent him with centrists enough to let Biden win. That's the obvious agenda. And on that angle, its a clearly risky strategy as Republicans pursue a later impeachment that will be fresher in memory while Trump's sagas could just blow over by then. Worse, the democrats could push their many suits against Trump and convict him in some liberal stronghold and lead to a constitutional crisis, torching our democracy. There's no telling how that turns out but plenty of foreseeable chaos.

This post was edited by Goomshill on Aug 15 2023 01:32pm

This entire word salad supposes there aren't 41 specific counts in yesterday's indictments alleging criminal action and you're handwaving them off as not existing.

One obvious conclusion to draw might be that an enormous portion of the electorate considers both the indictments, charges, and impeachments to be politically motivated.

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/4044440-nearly-half-in-new-poll-say-trump-indictment-is-politically-motivated/

And of course that's the case. But this is someone who apparently believes that Trump personally killed millions of Americans during the Covid-19 epidemic, so it's par for the course.

just goes to show how easy it is to win over a base that is chock-full of people with room-temperature IQs. people dying of COVID thought it was fake, too, right until their very last breath.
as is evident by some posters here, there is no amount of bad that he can do because "everyone else is corrupt, too". a collective psychosis is an apt and accurate description of what is happening right now

Election fraud calls from the loser are a cancer on democracy and we need a precedent to establish a base level of proof needed to claim it. this may sway no one, this may not result in a single guilty verdict, but it puts pen to paper on phony election fraud claims and gives trump his day in court he pretended to want to prove it.

that said all it takes is Powell, Giuliani, or some lackey claiming Trump personally told them to continue making claims sans evidence to have a more serious outcome, both legally and politically.

in any case this isn't dissimilar to mafia RICO prosecution at all. cast a wide net both with defendants and charges, and see who squeals. and sometimes Rico charges end up like John Gotti, whereas other times Rico charges end up like John Gotti.

A good way to ascertain Trump's responsibility for Covid-19 might be to take all the Covid-19 deaths in the United States under his tenure and then subtract from that average Covid-19 related deaths from a basket of other countries, controlling for relevant variables like comorbidities, average population density, and other factors. Then you'd probably want to account for the trade-offs of lockdowns, school closures, and isolation, one which includes but is not limited to drug overdoses, the relative impact of lost schooling, and the downstream health impacts related to economic disruption.

Or you can post on social media, and the Twitter bubble is about as bad a case of group psychosis as I can think of.

very interesting that you focused on the most nebulous argument of the post and ignored literally all of the other criminal shit he's done, lol. republicans are fucking wacko

Democracy relies on broad public faith in institutions and collective agreement on fundamental values. The first has been serially undermined for decades, from both sides, but was shot in the head during Russiagate and the body was never revived. The latter doesn't exist.



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This post was edited by bogie160 on Aug 15 2023 02:44pm