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Aug 12 2023 07:43pm
Quote (zorzin @ Aug 12 2023 06:41pm)
It's unbelievably easy to help them when you're a group of 30 and literally walking right over him. The point is not that they wouldn't be able to gaurentee his survival, it's that their ascent to the peak was none important than their fellow man's well being. Look at the lone sherpa who just singlehandedly saved someone from the death zone, and it has happened in the past and it's especially easier when you're already there with enough supplies/oxygen to make a safe descent with a large group in favorable conditions.

I bet skin colour may have been a factor, you really think they would done the same to a white European in that exact same scenario?


No it's not. Have you ever climbed Everest/K2 and gone through the death zone? You're just incredibly naive here. You can't judge these people for not helping. It would be a grave risk on their own part by trying to help AND they would be risking the lives of everyone else on the trek with them. I don't know the exact conditions of this example but I'm not going to make the baseless assumption that a rescue would be easy.

And yes they really would have done to same to a white European in the exact same scenario. Look up David Sharp.

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Aug 12 2023 07:52pm
No it's that they valued the 25k-45k they spent more than a human that was presumably still alive inches away from them. Just cause it's difficult doesn't mean it can't be done, especially when it means saving someone's life.

He who dares, wins. Just cause they were cowards doesn't mean that this type of rescue can't and hasn't been done. Race definitely was a contributing factor in this particular circumstance
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Aug 12 2023 07:53pm
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No it's that they valued the 25k-45k they spent more than a human that was presumably still alive inches away from them. Just cause it's difficult doesn't mean it can't be done, especially when it means saving someone's life.

He who dares, wins. Just cause they were cowards doesn't mean that this type of rescue can't and hasn't been done. Race definitely was a contributing factor in this particular circumstance


You're just way off here and you're willfully ignoring all of the facts about the risks that I have stated.

Seriously do some research on the topic. And please never be dumb enough to try to climb Everest thinking that you'll be easily rescued when you fail
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Aug 12 2023 07:58pm
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You're just way off here and you're willfully ignoring all of the facts about the risks that I have stated.

Seriously do some research on the topic. And please never be dumb enough to try to climb Everest thinking that you'll be easily rescued when you fail


I understand the risks involved. I'm also aware that I'm not dumb enough to climb everest expecting to be rescued. None of that changes the fact that these types of rescues are possible and that group had the means to do it. Just cause somethings dangerous doesn't mean it's impossible
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Aug 12 2023 08:02pm
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I understand the risks involved. I'm also aware that I'm not dumb enough to climb everest expecting to be rescued. None of that changes the fact that these types of rescues are possible and that group had the means to do it. Just cause somethings dangerous doesn't mean it's impossible


it is not something they should do, even if it's hypothetically possible is the point
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Aug 12 2023 08:08pm
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it is not something they should do, even if it's hypothetically possible is the point


Why not? A lone sherpa literally just did it. I understand the point of not wanting to do it cause it's highly likely it won't succeed but my point was that I bet if that was a blond haired blue eyed white European they would have at least tried to help and not just literally step over them. I am also just arguing for the sake of arguement
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Aug 12 2023 08:18pm
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Why not? A lone sherpa literally just did it. I understand the point of not wanting to do it cause it's highly likely it won't succeed but my point was that I bet if that was a blond haired blue eyed white European they would have at least tried to help and not just literally step over them. I am also just arguing for the sake of arguement


meh........... its the fashion to hate white people these days. whytie would be on tic tok bragging about stepping over 'racist whytie on the ground
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Aug 12 2023 08:31pm
Quote (zorzin @ Aug 12 2023 07:08pm)
Why not? A lone sherpa literally just did it. I understand the point of not wanting to do it cause it's highly likely it won't succeed but my point was that I bet if that was a blond haired blue eyed white European they would have at least tried to help and not just literally step over them. I am also just arguing for the sake of arguement


because it's not an ethical requirement to risk your own life and others lives in order to save somebody, especially people who knowingly put themselves in an extremely risky scenario
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Aug 12 2023 08:39pm
Quote (majorblood @ Aug 12 2023 10:31pm)
because it's not an ethical requirement to risk your own life and others lives in order to save somebody, especially people who knowingly put themselves in an extremely risky scenario


Sure, but given the circumstances in that video the possibility of saving that life was better than almost any other scenario. They weren't obligated to help, but I still bet they would have if it was whitey. Of all the times people have died on everest there was a decent chance that that man could have not been one of them
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Aug 12 2023 09:05pm
Quote (zorzin @ Aug 12 2023 07:39pm)
Sure, but given the circumstances in that video the possibility of saving that life was better than almost any other scenario. They weren't obligated to help, but I still bet they would have if it was whitey. Of all the times people have died on everest there was a decent chance that that man could have not been one of them


what makes you think that is true? the race reason
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