Quote (Crunkt @ Jul 19 2023 07:08pm)

no its thou shalt not kill

we speak English

not Hebrew

Quote (majorblood @ 19 Jul 2023 22:46)

no, the commandment says 'murder' in English

the same idea of murder being illegal is in the basis of the western legal system stemming from the fusion of roman+canon law

Quote (Crunkt @ Jul 19 2023 08:20pm)

no one gives a shit

its both
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thou_shalt_not_kill

Quote (bogie160 @ Jul 19 2023 07:34pm)

Your argument is that someone's life cannot be in danger unless people have died. That's a nonsensical thing to say, and certainly isn't true legally or morally.

This is a surreal conversation, because obviously the entire thing was recorded, and we know with certainty how the entire ordeal played out. Rittenhouse consistently retreated in the face of aggression, and only fired when necessary to protect his own life. The prosecution's own witness admitted on stand that he had a gun pointed at Rittenhouse before he too was shot.

Rittenhouse lived 20 miles away, and Kenosha was right next door. As someone who grew up on the border of a state, "crossing state lines" is obviously a thing you do regularly for something as simple as getting gas or picking up groceries. Population centers rarely obey little squiggly lines on a map. What makes it an especially odd non-sequitur, though, is that travelling across state lines is obviously very legal. Rittenhouse had but a short ride to go to Kenosha, but even had he travelled a great deal, it obviously wouldn't be considered cause to kill him. It's a particularly bad argument that unfortunately got pushed around in the immediate aftermath, but you need to try and be better than that.

Quote (gnarjay @ Jul 19 2023 08:24pm)

his life wasnt in danger at his house, he put his own life in danger AND the lives of others in danger by bringing his gun out of state to an event that had nothing to do with him. he wasnt helping family members, he went to pick a fight. why else do you think he brought his gun? he wanted to cosplay as a wild west lawman

stop making excuses for a murderer. dont you call yourself a Christian? you do better

Quote (Crunkt @ Jul 19 2023 07:08pm)

no its thou shalt not kill

we speak English

not Hebrew

Quote (bogie160 @ Jul 19 2023 07:34pm)

Your argument is that someone's life cannot be in danger unless people have died. That's a nonsensical thing to say, and certainly isn't true legally or morally.

This is a surreal conversation, because obviously the entire thing was recorded, and we know with certainty how the entire ordeal played out. Rittenhouse consistently retreated in the face of aggression, and only fired when necessary to protect his own life. The prosecution's own witness admitted on stand that he had a gun pointed at Rittenhouse before he too was shot.

Rittenhouse lived 20 miles away, and Kenosha was right next door. As someone who grew up on the border of a state, "crossing state lines" is obviously a thing you do regularly for something as simple as getting gas or picking up groceries. Population centers rarely obey little squiggly lines on a map. What makes it an especially odd non-sequitur, though, is that travelling across state lines is obviously very legal. Rittenhouse had but a short ride to go to Kenosha, but even had he travelled a great deal, it obviously wouldn't be considered cause to kill him. It's a particularly bad argument that unfortunately got pushed around in the immediate aftermath, but you need to try and be better than that.

Quote (Crunkt @ Jul 19 2023 08:20pm)

no one gives a shit

its both
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thou_shalt_not_kill

Quote

The Torah and Hebrew Bible made clear distinctions between the shedding of innocent blood versus killing as the due consequence of a crime. A number of sins were considered to be worthy of the death penalty including murder,[12] incest,[13] bearing false witness (perjury) in proceedings of a capital charge,[14] adultery,[15] idolatry,[16] bestiality,[17] child sacrifice to pagan gods,[18] cursing a parent,[19] fortune-telling,[20] homosexuality,[21] and other sins.

For example, the Exodus narrative describes the people as having turned to idolatry with the golden calf while Moses was on the mountain receiving the law from God. When Moses came down, he commanded the Levites to take up the sword against their brothers and companions and neighbors. The Levites obeyed and killed about three thousand men who had sinned in worship of the golden calf. As a result, Moses said that the Levites had received a blessing that day at the cost of son and brother.[22] On a separate occasion, a blasphemer was stoned to death because he blasphemed the name of the Lord (Yahweh) with a curse.[23]

The Hebrew Bible has many other examples of sinners being put to death as due consequence for crimes. Achan is put to death by Joshua because he caused defeat of Israel's army by taking some of the plunder and hiding it in his tent.[24][25] David ordered that an Amalekite be put to death because he claimed to have killed King Saul.[9] Following the advice of his father, Solomon ordered that Joab be killed:

Strike him down and bury him, and so clear me and my father's house of the guilt of the innocent blood that Joab shed. The Lord will repay him for the blood he shed, because without the knowledge of my father David he attacked two men and killed them with the sword. Both of them—Abner son of Ner, commander of Israel's army, and Amasa son of Jether, commander of Judah's army—were better men and more upright than he. May the guilt of their blood rest on the head of Joab and his descendants forever. But on David and his descendants, his house and his throne, may there be the Lord's peace forever.

— 1 Kings 2:31–33 (NIV)
The biblical refrain for those justly executed as due punishment for crimes is that "their blood will be on their own heads."[26] This expresses the idea that those guilty of certain actions have brought the shedding of blood upon themselves, and those carrying out due punishment do not bear bloodguilt.

Quote (El1te @ 20 Jul 2023 00:00)

The commandments are exactly as written in Biblical Hebrew. Anything else is a translation that is by definition inaccurate. This also goes for translations of the NT from Koine Greek

/e I guess you didn't read this part in the same article you linked